Thoughts on Mossberg 100ATR

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by sleeper, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. sleeper

    sleeper New Member

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    Thinking of one of these for my first hunting rifle. Would shoot at my local range for practice out to 200 yrds and for a beginning hunter I would probably be inside that range due to my lack of experience.

    Any personal experience with these rifles?


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  2. jpattersonnh

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    Depends on Where you are. Growing up most people used open sight .30-30's. One friend bought a used M70 in .30-06 and we thought he was a god. His advantage, he could hunt fields better. I used a bolt action 12ga that was a wreaking ball with iron sights out to 100 yards. The vitals on a whitetail are 8".
    It does not matter the rifle or scope if you zero at 100 and your scope/ rifle/ ammo combo is not up to the task. Let us not forget BUCK FEVER(shooter)! What is the wind doing, Snowing? raining? Are you elevated or below your target. Things are not so simple. I suggest going out with a seasoned hunter if you can, observe. I bet you will barf at the sight of your 1st gutting.
     

  3. sleeper

    sleeper New Member

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    I would take that bet, my occupation has me witness humans being gutted and put back together daily.

    On two your other questions I would love to spend some time with an experienced hunter and learn the ropes. I have thought I this many times. The problems is most people aren't so keen on a couple guys askin permission to harvest an animal on their land.

    I live in the southeast US. This would be a deer an range rifle for me. I guess I'm looking at the best option between mossberg ATR, Remington 770, Savage axis. Marlin X series.
     
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  4. jpattersonnh

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    OK, tough guy!! Have at it. You ask for knowledge, but have no idea what it is about. Here is my take. You want a 200.00 rifle and 60.00 scope to do a job they are not up to with cheap Remington core lokt ammo. Am I wrong? Have you ever stalked game? Everyone wants a cheap rifle and expects to be Carlos Hathcock. It won't happen. Your expectation of a 200 yard "clean" kill is a fantasy. Start small, shoot small game, Vermin, birds w/ a shotgun, that will teach you to track a moving target and spot movement. You might be amazed at how bad you are. I'd start small, maybe a .17HMR or .22WMR and a 12ga pump. Learning hunting skills far outweighs range time. Remember always, I'm the guy under your bed. Always silent. I'll also take you out at 400 yards w/ an old warhorse. I started shooting competition at 11 years old. That was 1973. I was already hunting bunnies and squirrels. Best of luck, JP
     
  5. jpattersonnh

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    Ah, the edit. We have a number of guys in the South East that you might tag along with. Just go to the hunting section and ask! Simple. If you were here in the Northland, i'd show you the ropes. You can also talk to your fish and game. They will hook you up. Before spending hard earned cash, talk to locals and people w/ real world experience in your area.
     
  6. sleeper

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    Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot. I asked about buying a starter bolt gun that would be a functional hunting rifle and you made a crack about me puking when i get my first kill.
    Not trying to be a tough guy just looking for advice. I never claimed to be a famous sniper or even a good shot for that matter. I can shoot a one inch group at 100 yrds. on a rest (friend of mine's .308) and have no problems picking off squirrels with my .22.
    So, I think I can be capable of learning to put venison in the freezer with a little help.
    Everyone always says if you can afford a $300 dollar rifle you should save and buy a $500 rifle. This is probably true, however I just want to be able to learn, shoot, and have some fun.but I don't want to burn $300 bucks and take a loss on a rifle because I didn't ask the question.


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  7. John_Deer

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    One thing I really like about the ATR is you can actually get one with iron sights. The ATR comes standard with an adjustable trigger set at 3lb. If you plan to get a hard kicking caliber a walnut stock is available to soak up the recoil. In all the tests I read the ATR shot a 1" or smaller group at 100 yards. The ATR has been tested by all the gun gurus. You can find both written reviews and youtube videos of the ATR. There are a couple negative things I have seen about the ATR. First the checkering in the bolt knob. You might like the checkering. If you don't it is nothing that cannot be fixed with a dremmel tool. Second the magazine is kind of funky. It is a no tilt magazine that can be tedious to load. The magazine has a coil spring under the follower instead of the traditional Z spring. Also there is no floor plate in the magazine. You have to cycle the ammo out of the magazine with the bolt.

    For a Few bucks more the Ruger American is nicer rifle. I don't care for the rotary magazine. But in short order someone will build a more user friendly magazine. I am looking for a 243 myself. Using www.gunwatcher.com I found a Ruger American for $299. You can expect to pay a little more for more popular calibers.
     
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  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i owned a Mossberg ATR100 in 30-06 a few years ago.

    my experiance and observations go as follows.

    first, mine had the sporter barrel with no sights, and a synthetic stock. the barrel was substantial, not quite a varmint contour, but very much like a magnum contour. fit and finish were very good, though with the black synthtic stock, that made the rifle look rather cheap. (personal preference: i hate black synthetic stocks. all mine get camo painted!) barrel was 22" and freefloated which i liked. barrel is attached to the reciever much like the Savage barrel nut system.

    action was very smooth and worked great. cartridges fed great each and every time from the blind mag. trigger was very nice too, on such an inexpensive rifle. not as nice as some more expensive rifles, but not bad at all, and would serve well for a hunting rifle.

    now, onto shooting this rifle. i did have extensive range time as i was working up some loads for it, to see what it's accuracy potential was like. first things first, recoil is bad with this rifle. (of all the many rifles in 30-06 i have owned over the years, this one tops all of them in recoil for a 30-06!) but later on found this to be the main consensus among owners of the ATR100. but, on a pleasant note, accuracy was simply amazing. shot many, many sub MOA groups at 100 yards with the loads i worked up for it. it liked a very wide range of bullet weights. it even performed very well with several differnt brands of factory loaded ammo as well. so accuracy to say the least, was very impressive.

    final thoughts. well if i still hunted, i would not hesitate in the least to take this rifle to the deer lease. if a person misses, it's their fault, not the rifles! well since i don't hunt anymore, with it's what i consider massive recoil for a rifle in 30-06, it's not for me as a target shooter. i tried various methods of trying to dampen the recoil, but didn't have much luck. shame too, because i actually like the ATR100. in the future i want to try another one, and try some different methods on reducing the felt recoil. all in all, i give this rifle high marks and a good recommendation.

    i picked mine up for about $250 in a pawn shop, very lightly used, with a decent Bushnell scope in 3-9x40 already mounted. shop around, and you may be able to find a nice used one.
     

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    Thanks for the reply axxe. Two questions. First, would I be better off with a .243 as a smaller framed guy. I did ok with the recoil on the 30-06 that I shot at the range but that was a heavy bench rest style gun. And second were you able to get those groups with the bush ell 3-9. These come as a scoped package for $299 new around here.
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  10. John_Deer

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    If you are going to shoot a 30/06 it needs to have a substantial stock, about the size of a shotgun stock. Many years ago I bought a savage carbine chambered in 270. The savage kicked like a mule and the scope was dangerously close to my face.

    I shoot a BAR chambered in 30/06 now. The BAR is as gentle as a 30/06 can be. I also have a model 70 chambered in 270. It is very smooth shooting. if you compare the stock of a Browning, Weatherby or any high quality gun you will notice the stock on all mossberg rifles to be almost as small as a lot of rimfire stocks. The Mossberg walnut stocks are a little better.

    Have a look at the Mossberg home page. You can see the synthetic stocks are poorly designed. The comb looks like it is going downhill, not to mention the 13.25" length of pull.
    http://www.mossberg.com/products/rifles/centerfire/mossberg-atr
     
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  11. sleeper

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    I'm sorry JD, I meant .308, I'm trying to decide between .243 and .308. I don't plan on ever hunting larger game than whitetail deer but I also don't want to wound an animal and not find it. I'm not sure I would want to shoot a 30-06 out of a lightweight composite stock very much and I don't think I want to carry a heavy enough gun to soak up recoil through the woods. What your guys opinion on 243 vs 308?



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  12. kctgb

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    I had one in 270 for a knock around rifle and it performed well for me, it was more than accurate for a hunting rifle. I sold it to a friend because he needed a deer rifle as his was stolen. sometimes I wish I had it back.
     
  13. John_Deer

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    When you are shooting at game you won't notice the recoil of the 308. How much target shooting do you plan to do with the rifle?

    You can get a savage axis with a scope for the same money. The axis is very accurate and when you get more money you can get a nice stock from boyds for $99.

    Really a rifle doesn't have to be that heavy to be pleasant to shoot. There is a big difference in a 6.5 lb rifle and a 7.5/8 lb rifle. The difference is the 7.5 lb rifle will have an adequate stock that will help absorb the recoil.
     
  14. sleeper

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    I do plan to do some target shooting with the rifle as my local rifle club is only 15 min drive. I was leaning toward the mossberg over the savage because of the adjustable trigger. That seemed like a big upgrade for the same money, is the savage a better rifle? Honestly this would probably be shot at the range maybe 5-6 times a year and hunted with only a few times during deer season. I just want a dual purpose rifle that doesn't break the bank. I don't need it to shoot tiny groups at 500 yrds. Just out to a couple hundred yards and be light enough to lug around the hills.


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  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    the 243 is a very lightweight recoiling round in most rifles and is usually one of the calibers used going from rimfire to centerfire calibers for younger or newer shooters, and is a good round for smaller framed people. the 243 is an excellent cartridge and one of my longtime favorites. the 243 has an excellent reputation as very versatile cartridge for hunting varmint sized game with the lighter weight bullets and still able to take medium sized game like deer with the heavier bullets.

    the Bushnell i used came on the rifle when i bought it, and as i had bought the rifle used, i don't know if came with it originally or the previous owner had installed it. $299 is a decent price for a rifle and scope package. MSRP is about $465 for the package deal.

    either the 243 or a 308 would probably serve your needs quite well and both cartridges are excellent for hunting. if you shot a 30-06, then a 308 shouldn't be a problem for you. but let me make an alternative suggestion, that same rifle in a 7mm-08, which is a 308 necked down to a 7mm. excellent round, that has plenty of energy out to around 250-300 yards for deer sized game, is a very flat and accurate cartridge as well, and the recoil is still very mild, and is very close to the 243 in felt recoil. the 7mm-08 i have is probably one of my most shot rifles, simply because i love the cartridge and it's pleasant and enjoyable to shoot all day long. my 7m-08 is in a Marlin XS7 and was even pleasant to shoot for extended periods in the OEM sythetic stock before i replaced it with a laminated one.

    the 243, the 308, or my suggestion of the 7mm-08 would serve those needs for what you are looking for quite well. any of the three can serve quite well as hunting rifles for deer sized game with not any problems. my first three deer as a youngster were with my fathers Winchester M70 in 243, which was the first centerfire rifle i learned to shoot as well. the 243 when loaded with the proper ammo is a very capable round for deer sized game.

    for most purposes, the adjustable trigger is not that big a factor for a beginning rifle shooter, so either the Mossberg ATR100 or the Savage Axis would be good choices. if i may, let me suggest another for you to look at and consider, the Marlin X7 which comes in a variety of calibers, including those you are considering. it also is available in the long actioned calibers of 25-06, 270 and 30-06 if you wanted to step up a bit.

    the Marlin X7 series of rifles are very well made rifles with lots of features that some of the other entry level rifles don't have, like a pillar bedded stock, an adjustable trigger, and is very accurate rifle as well. they are decently priced and most come with a MSRP of less than $400 and can usually be gotten for about $300-350 new. currently i own three of them in various calibers and am very pleased with all them, and highly recommed them to new shooters or anyone looking for an affordable and well made rifle that is very accurate. they make excellent hunting rifles and good casual target shooting rifles as well. also wouldn't be too heavy to lug around all day either.

    if you have any questions, feel free to ask them. i hope this helps you out.
     
  16. John_Deer

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    Here is a link to the Savage rifles. Since you are not sure what caliber you want I am going to post a link to the savage rifles. You can negotiate on the guns that say make an offer. When you click on the make an offer dialog it will give you five chances to make an offer both parties can accept. Start low and come up slow. Make your last offer 3% off to cover credit card fees.
    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/36_62_974/Rifles/Savage/Savage+Centerfire
     
  17. John_Deer

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    Here is a range report on the savage Axis. The author is local to me. He is a low budget shooter. Subscribe to his channel if you need to pinch pennies here and there. He has reports on everything from cheap scopes to a full bore rifle bench that he made to shoot from the back of his truck. He is an all around nice guy and he is honest.

    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15o2k9IyB_Y[/ame]

    Here is a nice article on the 7mm-08. It is a versatile round but ammo is not as plentiful or as inexpensive as it's parent the 308. I shot a deer in AL with a friends 7mm-08 rifle. At 40 yards I could literally see the blood spray as the bullet exited the deer. The way the deer reacted to the shot it was like everything was in slow motion. I did get the job done I was sent to accomplish. A nice young doe for a BBQ that weekend.
    http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/7mm-08+Remington.html
    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15o2k9IyB_Y"][/ame]
     
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  18. sleeper

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    Thanks guys for taking the time to write up your replies. Next step is gonna be heading down to the local sportsmans warehouse and holding them all. I don't have a place to shoot them all so I guess it will just depend on how they fit me. When I bought my semi-auto 22 I went to the store to pick up the marlin 795 and came home with a Remington 597. I think I can eliminate the Remington 770 based on all the negative feedback I've read. I'm leaning towards the mossy in .243 but like I said I haven't held it or felt the trigger yet.


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  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Please Steer Clear of the M770!:mad:

    i owned one for a very short period of time in 30-06. absolutely the worst excuse i have ever had in a rifle. accuracy was on par with most shotguns!

    i did some checking and the ATR100 does have an adjustable trigger as well. if you have the opportunity to handle the Marlin X7 series, do so. as much as i liked the ATR100, i like the X7 more.

    i currently own three of them. an XS7 in 7mm-08, an XL7C in 25-06 and an XS7VH in 308. all three are very accurate rifles and very well made. i bought the 25-06 first about five years ago after i read quite a few reviews on them and i was impressed with it after i bought. enough that next week i ran across the XS7 in 7mm-08, which i had wanted a rifle in that caliber for some time, so i bought it. again, i was very impressed with the rifle and the cartridge. i was not dissapointed in the least.

    later on when Marlin announced the addition of two calibers in new version of the X7 in a Varmint Hunter with a 26" heavy barrel, i ordered the 308 XS7VH, but had to wait about three months for it to arrive. absolutely love that rifle! extremely accurate with my handloads. i have done some modification to my 308, such as reworking and smoothing the trigger to the point it breaks at under 2 lbs., also modified the stock by glassbedding it and adding weight to it. my rifle with the scope now weighs more than 13.5 lbs., so it's pretty much a bench type gun now. i wanted to see if i could build a budget target rifle for under a $1000 including scope. right now, i'm still under $750 for rifle, scope and all the mods to the rifle.
     
  20. godale

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    i like the 243, it was the first centerfire i learned to shoot. even though i am a big frame guy i didnt start shooting untill i was 32.three years later i was itching for a centerfire, a good friend of mine pushed for the 243. i ended up with a model 7. glad that was my first experience with a centerfire and i since have grown to a 270 and 30-06. but the 243 always has been my real favorite....