Thoughts on M9

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by tierone, Oct 3, 2011.

  1. tierone

    tierone New Member

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    I've heard a lot about the M9 lately and how people are upset about it not having enough stopping power. I've also heard a lot about it being to heavy and not a good weapon for our military. What are your thoughts on this?
     
  2. JonM

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    my beef with it is they are not well built. they dont last very long. the barrel is locked up at the rear and as they get more rounds down range the locking surfaces really wear out. least thats the issues we had with the ones issued in the 90's. i never found them particularly accurate.

    i dont care for the size of the grip, sights, trigger, safety, to me its just too big for the round it shoots.

    in the army we did a torture test with the 1911 vs m9 side by side before we turned the last 1911s in. loaded up all the mags in our inventory about 150 each. then ran the guns till they stopped. 1911 went all 150 no stoppages no slowdowns from heat, this was a gun made in the 1940's. ran the m9 it stopped around mag 20. started really slowing down due to heat around mag 13 or 14.

    we ended up having to send 4 out of 10 m9 back to the depot for locking lug cracks and frame cracks inside a year. i think those issues were later fixed.

    the good 92fs were made in brazil by taurus from 1999 back are better than the berratas from italy or the US. im not a taurus fan but i would prolly opt for the taurus version over the berreta if i HAD to get one.

    i just dont like them.
     

  3. Lindenwood

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    I really like the 92 series guns for their unique looks, good weight (I do tend to like larger, heavier handguns, though), good reliability, and super-easy take-down. However, compared to modern polymer guns they have fatter grips which a lot of people don't like. I like the feel of poly guns better, generally.

    The M9 isn't the problem for out military, though. Most all the guns they have looked at were around the same size and weight. The effectiveness issue is simply because they are limited to ball ammo.

    BTW, you could probably just scan through the first few pages of this forum and find 500 answers to your questions :p .

    *edit*

    Or, just listen to Jon :p .

    I really liked my Taurus PT92, but I'm not partial enough to the 92 to argue one way or another :p . Though I would guarantee his experience is a relatively worst-case one, and most people do have great luck with them. I will, however, admit that the locking design of the 92 is relatively weak compared to a Browning-type action.
     
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  4. JonM

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    We put the m9 through more rounds than your average military unit. The tests we did were not officially sanctioned by any stretch. The m9 will last the average shooter a lifetime of service before you start seeing severe wear issues.

    Most folks wont put 1000 rounds through a gun much less 10,000 in a year...

    My first post is the far extreme example. I run a lot of pistol ammo through my personal guns so i gravitate to more durable designs.
     
  5. Papa_Woody

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    I liked the M9 as a service weapon. I trusted it. However, it gets a poor reputation because of the ammo we use. And ammunition in a 9mm needs to be taken into account. IMO a 9mm is made or broke on what ammo you put through it.

    That said, correctly fed she will do the job... I promise... I have seen the real life damage it inflicts ( even crappy ball) and it's plenty capable.
     
  6. Papa_Woody

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    +alot

    The military beats the hell out of them. They see more service and are passed through more hands than ANY civilian could compare. Don't let that be a nay say, take it as a testament to the arm.
     
  7. FCross7

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    I'm sure it's a fine weapon, but I stay away from them for two reasons.

    Number one is that the grip is just so darn big. I don't have small hands by any stretch, but I still find the grip much to large. I'd liken it to hold a 2x4.

    The second reason is the slide mounted safety. I just don't like them. They get beat it, it's not near where my thumb rests naturally, and there is a chance, be it probably a small one, that it can be engaged when clearing a malfunction.

    I'd like to try a Px4, but won't because of the slide mounted safety. I'm just don't see why beretta uses them.

    -Fred
     
  8. cuate

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    M9 & others

    My M9 look alike is a copied by Taurus 99 which holds 17 rounds of 9mm in the magazine and one in the barrel, jacketed hollow points by the way. And that ia what I consider stopping power.

    But my carry pistol is a Springfield Ultra ,45ACP also with jacketed hollowpoints which should stop anything on two legs in North America.

    But to retrogress and think "what if", I have always loved the German P-38 or P1 as it is now called in post war models. And thought if that great pistol had been redesigned to fire the .45ACP, it would be an accurate, safe, and pleasing to most shooter's hands, a great pistol !
     
  9. jismail

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    I Luv mine! It feels great in my hand, shoots anything I feed it, is combat accurate (by this I mean it is not a nail driver like my Kimber 1911, but is way more than accurate enough for battlefield conditios) and by design, it is very forgiving of dirty environments. I think the 9mm round has been proven in multiple conflicts to be effective for it's intended range and with the civilian options for ammo, the 9mm has grown to be a very good caliber for all around use.

    I'm not sure why the m9 has such a love/hate type reputation as it has served the military well, and made a very good migration to civilian useage, and in my opinion, is a quality weapon well worth anyones concideration when shopping for a handgun.
     
  10. Papa_Woody

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    I like the slide mounted safety decocting lever. I like it's function and I have never had a problem. I like the option for carry, but I can see where it can turn off people. I " grew" up on the gun so naturally I bought the px4 and I recommend giving it a shot. But if you don't like a big grip or the safety then it's really just not a fit for you. Which is most important really
     
  11. Quentin

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    I like the looks of the M9/92FS but it's just too big for a double stack 9mm so I'd never buy one. For an all steel 9mm you just can't beat the classic Hi Power.
     
  12. Marthor

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    The M9 is a really good 9mm. I love my two 92FS in my collection.

    The main problem is the Geneva Convention restriction on FMJ. I agree with the Geneva Convention to have some rules in war. With the rules though, we need to go back up to FMJ 45 ACP.

    When they had the debate for capacity before and went with the 9mm, is an obsolete argument now, because you can get capacity with a 45 ACP now.

    At least the units who are more likely to actually use their sidearm have switched up. :cool:
     
  13. JimLyons

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    I have a M9 with a Crimson Trace laser and 18 round magazines, which I like for, around the house in the nightstand. It is larger than most of my other 9mm pistols and no complaints about quality. I did get a good deal because the Crimson Trace laser sites came with it is mainly why I bought it.
     
  14. nccinstaller

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    I currently have a 92fs and had a pt92 i must say they are probably one of my favorite firearms. I really love the way they feel in my hand and find them a joy to shoot. I can def see how some people find the grip too large but i have very big hands so it reaply feela right at home in my gorilla hands lol. I cant ever remember a time either jammed on me.
     
  15. trip286

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    Accuracy: Didn't measure groups but I shot a perfect score with it in 2006, Marine Corps pistol qualification.

    Grips: As mentioned, friggin huge for what the gun is, I had to readjust every 3rd round or so.

    Safety: Yeah, it's slide mounted, but that's nothing you can't train for and get used to. But, an issue I had was my Bianchi holster disengaging my safety constantly.

    Durability: Never tested one to failure myself, but they are supposed to be tested for over 40k rounds I believe. The older ones had problems with the slide snapping in the middle and the rear of the slide flying into the shooters face. This has been fixed. There was a saying for a while "Your not a SEAL, till you've eaten Italian steel"

    Reliability: Never had a problem with mine, and only knew 2 people personally who did.

    When I was done shooting for qual on the range, my group was told, "Okay, lets police the brass and rounds" I thought I misheard the RO, but when he told us to walk downrange, I kid you not, we found rounds that had punched through the targets and fell to the ground a few feet on the other side of the targets.
     
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  16. goretro77

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    Love the 92FS, for me I shoot well with it and its been very reliable, at least for my uses:
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  17. sweeper22

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    The M9/92FS pistols that I've shot have performed very well. But I wouldn't choose one for myself for a couple reasons:

    1) I have average sized hands, and I feel this gun is way bigger than it ought to be.
    2) I think this gun has too many aggressive controls and catch points.

    Good gun, but for a hard-body (metal framed) 9mm, I greatly prefer the offerings from Browning, CZ, and Sig.
     
  18. fatmidgets

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    I don't know where your getting your information from, but the m9 has a PROVEN 20,500 rounds between jams, as defined by military torture tests. Did we have problems with the m9 at first... Sure. That's why it was a TRAIL run! Any problem adressed to the m9, has been squared away. Is the size of the grip large?, perhaps for smaller handed shooters, but the M9, is more than proven. It beat the Sig P226, and the famous 1911, which btw goes an average of 6,000 rounds between jams.
     
  19. FCross7

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    He states EXACTLY where he gets his information in his post. You must have missed it the first time, so I went ahead and made it bold for you.

    And as far as beating the Sig and 1911, that dead horse has been beaten for far too long. Everyone knows the Govt doesn't always go with the "best" option. It's more like they go with an "ok" option that has the best price. Plus all of these government tests are so biased it's not even funny. If you don't believe me, just Google "dragonskin government testing", and read a few articles. Some say it's crap, others say that the testing was rigged.

    Just my opinion.

    -Fred
     
  20. trip286

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    Agree. Your weapon, body armor, and every other piece of equipment you use in the military is made by the lowest bidder. This does not apply to consumer prices. The government looks at such things as cost and availability/production capability.
    I read an article not long ago that said the only reason the Savage .45 didn't beat the 1911 in their trials way back in the day was simply because Savage didn't have the manufacturing capabilities of Colt.

    Beretta and FN Herstal now both have factories in America. The military's pre requisites for weapons (IDK about everything else for sure) is than they have to be manufactured right here on our soil.

    Beretta and FN Herstal are now paying money to the gov. in the form of taxes, and I'm sure there are some kickbacks in there somewhere, and they have put many Americans to work.

    Incidentally, as soon as these requirements were met, they got government contracts.

    All that being said, I like the M9. You can read my earlier post for more detail on what I think of it.
     
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