Thoughts on .357 Sig?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by 308Wins, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. 308Wins

    308Wins New Member

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    Mainly asking about the penetration, and if I would be endangering whoever is standing behind the person I hope does not force me to defend myself. Thanks-
     
  2. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Wins,

    Do you have one at the present or thinking about getting one. God Pistol, Good Caliber but ammunition may be harder to get and more $$$$.

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  3. 308Wins

    308Wins New Member

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    Don't have one myself, just doing some research on it. The Internet is not the best source of information on this caliber (you think it'd be great)
     
  4. 76239dave

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    I used to have a sigpro in 357 Sig but sold it for no good reason. It is basically a 9mm at higher velocities so your over penetration concern is valid. If you use bullets that expand readily it will minimize the problem and you still have more energy on target plus a bit flatter trajectory for what that's worth. I reloaded for mine so I wasn't worried about ammo availability.
     
  5. Buckeyeborn

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    Out my sig 229 it is louder and brighter than the 40 that I have a second barrel for so it would seem that expanding bullets are your friend
     
  6. zeke4351

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    The .357 Sig was designed by Federal and Sig to shoot 125 grain at 1450 fps. Anything less is just a funny looking 9mm and all the self proclaimed gun gurus on most of the gun forums like to bad mouth it. The only semi auto more powerful is the 10mm but it has to be used with the original 10mm loading not the watered down FBI load. The .357 Sig is used by the Secret Service to protect the president for a reason. A 10mm is to big and heavy to carry. Do a lot of searching and reading like I have and you will discover that the 357 Sig creates a nasty wound cavity and penetrates where a 9mm or .45 doesn't. Over penetration is like flying saucers. Everyone talks about it but none has been seen. I know that some are going to flame me even after I tell you that the 9mm and .45 are great rounds and will do the job but they can't do what the .357 Sig does. There are a lot of good real life experiences and video testing on all calibers that can be found on the net. The 9mm and .45 both have to be +P or +P+ to come close to the .357 Sig. Most all ammo today is a watered down version of the original. Sorry to be so long winded but a short answer would get flamed worse than this will and I am sure I will have to post more later. Worry about missing your target but no over penetration. Remember that if it kicks hard on your end its going to hit hard on the other end. Carry the biggest baddest gun you can pack.
     
  7. 308Wins

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    I appreciate the long answers to my questions. Usually, when I turn to the Internet for a question, that means I can't get in touch with anyone that has much knowledge on it. Sometimes last resorts prove helpful
     
  8. armsmaster270

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    357sig is an excellent defense round. Overpenetration isn't especially worriesome with good JHPs. Like any other defense round, if you use FMJs (or if you miss your target with JHPs)...whatever exists beyond it is at risk.

    I pay about $16-22/50 for range ammo, which ain't cheap. Defense ammo is affordable enough, as Winchester Rangers or Gold Dots can be found for $25-30/50.

    High performance round, but expensive. 9mm and 40sw are both quite a bit cheaper to shoot at the range, and both have defensive loads (9mm +p+, 40sw in 135-140gr CorBon) that really aren't that far off 357sig ballistics...so that's sort of a counterpoint.

    I like 357sig and sometimes carry it in the woods. But I primarily shoot and carry 9mm and 45acp otherwise.
     
  10. SigArmored

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    I shoot this round and love it but not as often as I used to.The upside is that it shoots super flat meaning that you can shoot farther more accurately.(A cool factor about this round is when you switch from a 9mm,40cal or 45 you may find some guys and gals coming from a few spots down to find out what you're shooting at the range).The downside to this round is expense and availability which is why I don't shoot it as often as I used to.As far as over penetration with modern technology being what it is I am absolutely positive you can find a jhp ,frangible or other type ammo that will provide you with what you're looking for.When I researched this round I found that quite a few air marshals chose this round with has got to tell you something.
     
  11. string1946

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    I don't own a firearm chambered with the 357 Sig but have been thinking about buying a barrel in that caliber for my Glock 26. As the 357 Sig is just a 40 S&W necked down to 357 all the conversion requires is the new barrel and maybe a heavier recoil spring thought all I have read just mentions the barrel. For around $100 you have one gun in two calibers. That appeals to me. ( I know, I know...... "this is my rifle (or pistol), this is my gun. this is for fighting and this is for fun. been there, done that)
     
  12. AIKIJUTSU

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    I have no experience with .357 Sig. I have been curious about wear and tear on the gun. If using the same frame with .357 Sig as with .40 S&W, does the .357 Sig cause more wear on the gun?
     
  13. JonM

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    Only real drawback is lack of a cheap source of ammo.

    Bottleneck pistol cartridges are a pain in the *** to reload. The 357sig makes it in the same difficulty as the 458 socom due to the super short shoulder. Screw up setting the dies and you ruin a lot of cases which arent easy to get.

    Then they gotta be trimmed to length each time.

    Not an economical round if your not using ammo paid for by the blood sweat and tears of taxpayers
     
  14. 308Wins

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    I'm not a reloader
     
  15. JimRau

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    I like the 'concept' and this is a good defense caliber. But there is no 'need' for it. It is the ballistic twin to the 357 Mag. (125 gr bullet 1250 to 1400 fps). I shot a 9mm with +p+ ammo which is clocked at 1285 fps. Both are '357 Mag' ballistic twins but the 357 Sig does it without +p rated ammo.:)
     
  16. 308Wins

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    What about a permanent wound cavity, ballistically, is it much better than 9mm +p+?
     
  17. JimRau

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    No they are not. That is point. It has been found that the 1250 fps (.355/.357) is all you need to achieve the 'maximum' possible effect on an aggressive human animal. Anything over this velocity (1250 fps) by a bullet of .355/.357 diameter in the 115-130 gr (JHP) range is 'over kill' thus the very slight difference in the wound cavity has no realistic advantage. ;)
     
  18. 308Wins

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    I love that explanation, thank you very much. My next choice is to check out a 10mm... I've shot one a couple times (rented a G20 twice), it felt great, but I'm really more interested in the 29...
     
  19. ClemsonSCJ

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    Whoa whoa whoa...you're saying that $16-22 ain't cheap for .380, .40, .45, or anything similar? Please let me know where you're getting your range ammo, cause even before this latest ammo crisis, I have never seen range ammo (brass) in either of those 3 calipers cheaper than what you said. 9mm on the other hand, yes. This time last year I could get a decent 50 round box of 9mm for anywhere from $8-12. But not for .380, .40, or .45. And most of your popular revolver rounds that I've seen are even worse.
     
  20. Overkill0084

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    .357 Sig, .38 Super & 9 mm +P (+p+) are all close enough in performance it becomes down to splitting hairs or urination distance. So many other variables are important. I can't imagine anyone saying after a shooting incident, "Golly that extra 90 to 100 fps would have made all the difference." IMHO, placement matters much more than minor velocity differences. I suspect that over penetration isn't really that big of a deal with proper bullet selection.
    I see .357 Sig as a boutique round that's used mostly by people who who's ammo is "issued," courtesy of taxpayers. IMHO, it's not enough of an improvement over hot loaded 9 mm to warrant any special consideration from those buy their own ammo.
    If you think it's cool or want it because it's different, great, enjoy. Just don't think that it's next big thing in SD technology.

    If I want a boutique cartridge, I'll hunt down a 10mm. It's easier to reload and range brass is more common.
     
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