Thinking my next purchase will be an M1A

Discussion in 'Mini-14 Forum' started by ccase39, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    I really like the look and classic feel of them. Wont be able to afford much range time, but how are they as far as accuracy? I am looking for my next rifle to be something I can reach out and touch someone with.
    Anything I need to know?
     
  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Accuracy is pretty good for a service grade rifle. They make Match models that have better triggers, Better barrels, trued operating rods, unitized gas blocks, and match sights, along with bedded or synthetic stocks. all of those things add up, though.

    Lots of folks think that they will put a scope ion one and turn it into an autoloading "Sniper rifle". There are a few good scope mounts out there, but you start with the disadvantage of having an open topped action that is not the greatest for rigidity and not working a mount loose, of getting one to attach the same every time.

    Also unless you put the action in a synthetic or special stock with aluminum bedding, the stock will need to be re bedded regularly to maintain optimum accuracy. Getting the action and barrel/for-end tension just right is a bit of a trick.

    I have a National match model that is pretty accurate, but it's not just an out of the box M1A. Though even the out of the box M1A is still a pretty accurate rifle. But I tell folks, if they are looking for precision platform in a .308 autoloader, they are better off getting into an AR-10 type rifle. They are more inherently accurate in that they don't have the flex of an open action, they don't have as much reciprocating weight hanging off the barrel. They don't have wood stock issues, They are scope ready if you get a flat top. Triggers and accessories abound in comparison to the M1A, and they can be installed more easily by the owner without the specialized skills, and tools of an M1A/M14 armorer.

    So if you want an M1A as a precision platform, just understand that there is a bit required after the initial investment to get it there and keep it there.

    If you just want a super cool, Bad arse rifle that is combat accurate with reach out to 800 yes or even a 1000 in teh right hands and with the right equipment and ammo. Then get an M1A. If you want what is probably the peak of wood and steel military autoloader design, then get the M1A. If you can be happy with some of the best military iron sights, get an M1A and forget scopes without a lot of extra investment to get the most out of it.

    I love my M1A, but I love it for what it is, not for what it isn't. I'm building an AR10 for that.
     

  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    That's a damn good way of putting it, and exactly why I want one myself.
     
  4. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    i have no real experience with the M1A. i do however, really want one and have for years now. every time i see one at a LGS i ask to handle it.

    IF you can get past the initial 1500-3000 investment for a quality M1A.....i can't :(, in my poor days i had vehicles worth less than an M1A :p...makes me sound really old, but i'm not that old, my cars were just really really sh*tty :p. as said, IF you can get over that purchase, then you have .75 cents to a buck a round to enjoy the thing.

    i would love an M1a, but i am positive i would not shoot it enough to merit the cost. imo, a minum of 200 rounds is needed to have a good range/plinking trip....that amount of ammo has me concerned if it is 223.....:eek:....308 will normally double that cost.

    these are MY reasons i haven't taken the dive....if you feel it is something you could use and enjoy, please get it.....i will be forever jealous....;)

    all that said....i could have sold my cheap AR off during the black rifle craze and likly covered 80-100% of an M1A. can anyway say missed opportunity.....? :(

    it would have been a scout squad for me.....:)
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    It would be the standard model all the way for me.

    I held one once. It felt like I was losing my virginity again.
     
  6. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    LMAO! i know what you mean! :D

    then i turn over the price tag and realize this pretty maiden is WAY out of my league! :p
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i like the M1A. very sweet shooting rifle with decent accuracy. i had one years ago when the price of them was still reasonable. i would love to own another one, but the prices now are not what i consider reasonable at all.

    i think that if you accept it for what it is, and don't expect it to be something it's not, you'll be very pleased with it. it's heavy and solidly built rifle that has decent accuracy for a semi-auto rifle.
     
  8. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    Wow thanks for the detailed response. You described exactly what I am looking for. Fact is it is probably accurate enough to out perform me anyway so no matter what I won't be hitting a nickle at even 200yds. I just don't have the skill set. My problem is the expense of ammo.
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    for the most part, a bolt action is more accurate than most M1A's, but, most M1A's are more accurate than most shooters. the military has used the M14 for a sniper platform and still does in limited applications. the M1A is a wonderful rifle.

    there is still surplus ammo for them as well and lots of factory ammo offerings available for it. from surplus to match grade ammo.

    i own an AR, but would trade it for an M1A in a second!:D
     
  10. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    I love both of mine, my 1-A and my "E-2"....even more accurate when it's "Bagged"
     
  11. therewolf

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    After using the Mini-14, I've come to realize that stepping up

    I would want the 30.06, anyway. Which retros me right back

    to the Garand, anyway. But I am a large guy.

    .308 just isn't my cup of tea. But are you sure you wouldn't

    want the extra accuracy, and maybe higher caliber of a Ruger Scout or Guide

    bolt action?
     
  12. Stillwater

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    Hawkguy;
    I have three MiA's. Two Match Targets and on Loaded model. I feel so deprived -- NOT...!

    The Match Target models I paid through the nose to get, because they were sio hard to find at that time. And, I knew I had better get them, while I could, regardless of the price.

    I bought the loaded model used, at a good buy, because I wanted one to play with, and to learn with, without messing with the Match Target models setup.

    I may let you hold one of them for a few minutes... :eek:

    Bill
     
  13. Stillwater

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    I prefer the .30-06 myself... Especially in a bolt action firearm.

    In military loadings the performance of the .30-06 and the 7.62X51 are very similiar. The advantage to the .30-06 is, is that it can be safely loaded higher, with greater capabilities.

    The .30-06, when loaded properly is a true 1000 yard cartridge, while the 7.62X51 is more of a 800 yard cartridge. With that being said, how many shooters are going to do much shooting at 800 and 1000 yards? Not very many. But, they like to talk about it.

    Although in a Semi-Auto firearm, a shooter should stay close to the military loadings, to reduce wear and tear on their firearm.

    Bill
     
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  14. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    The important distinction is that the military doesn't just use an M14 for a sniper platform. There is a considerable amount of work that goes into getting an M14 or M1 A to a point to get it to that leve of precision.

    Bedding th eaction, adjusting forend tension, installing a match barrel, unitizing and truing the gas system, getting a optic mounting system that doesn't shift due to action flex.

    If someone want's a sniper rifle that is an auto loader there are cheaper an lower maintenence rifle out there. In fact an AR based .308 is much simpler, more inherently accurate, and lower maintenence for retaining accuracy standards than an M1A/M14 based platform.

    But for an open sighted battle rifle, it's the tits.
     
  15. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    good to see you around again, mr. Stillwater! :D

    and I dunno, every time I hold an M1A.....I want an M1A......:p

    think i'll stay away for awhile.....
     
  16. John_Deer

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    When pawn shops used have barrels of M1 rifles for $100 each I never bought one for all the reasons SSGN_Doc posted. I never shot an accurate M1. Plus most M1's that were in a pawn shop were 30 cal. The 30 cal is a lame cartridge in a rifle.
     
  17. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I think you may be confusing the M1 carbine (.30 caliber US Carbine), M1 Garand (.30-06 ), and M1A (7.62x51mm NATO or .308 Win).

    I don't remember any $100 M1A rifles. I remembers some rough M1 Garands that were a few hundred bucks that were pieced together. And some M1 Carbines that were also parts guns that were around $200 or so, bug that would have been in the early 1980s.
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    but they also expended the same amount of effort on all rifles they use for a sniper platform. even the bolt action sniper rifles get a lot of work and attention.

    but i agree, that now they can put together an AR rifle that's either just as accurate or more accurate, much easier than what they have to do to an M14 to gain the same amount of accuracy.

    but i still think most M1A's are still more accurate than most people can shoot. but in all honesty, IMO that really applies to most rifles in general.
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    in the late 80's a SA M1A was going for about $600. i paid about $750 for mine in about 1990 or 1991.
     
  20. 25-5

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    Doc made good points.
    I bought a SA M1A Nat. Match a year ago. A good scope and mount, and I was in business. I reload so that helps the cost. No matter, it's great to shoot. Very accurate. I use mostly the iron sights. Quick on multiple targets.
    I also liked the history. I prefer a wood stock.