So.. some say they will never use a 9mm, only .45 and up. Some say you can't kill a grizzly bear with anything less than 6 shots of 300 Win mag, some say they know someone that put one down with a few rounds of .45. Some people have survived 12 gauge or 7.62 rounds, and some have died from .380's. Some people survive horrible car wrecks, some die in much kess violent ones... The point? I don't know, I guess the point is you never really know. What do you think?