Things you learn in a CCW class

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by irpotential, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. irpotential

    irpotential New Member

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    My wife and I took our FL CCW class on Sunday and learned a lot of good information. I also learned/witnessed that people who can't write their own name using straight lines are allowed to carry a weapon. I don't wish CA law upon any state, but this old man couldn't hold the gun steady if his life depended on it. I feel bad for the poor bastards 20 yd behind and 15 degrees to the left and right of the BG should this old man ever fire his pistol.
     
  2. CAAD8N8

    CAAD8N8 New Member

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    Hahaha! There was a couple in my class with His and Hers Taurus Judges. They were both pushing 80 and had to pull the hammer back with their thumbs before firing the hand cannon. Hopefully, whoever decides to rob them is nice enough to wait for them to cock their guns before firing.
     

  3. Jay

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    Both of you should have offered to share your abundance of expertise :)rolleyes:) with those folks instead of ridiculing them.... Last I checked, the 2nd Amendment didn't say "applies only to those in excellent health."
     
  4. CAAD8N8

    CAAD8N8 New Member

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    Regardless of your health, you should be shooting a gun that is comfortable and safe for you to handle. It doesn't do anyone a lick of good to own a gun that they can't shoot proficiently. You yourself made reference to choosing guns like you choose shoes and not starting new shooters on higher caliber guns. Clearly, this is a matter of common sense, not trying to poke fun at those in "poor health".
     
  5. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    Tht old man tht u make fun of may have served and fought for this country ensuring and preserving the freedom tht u so much enjoy.. The old couple tht u make fun of trying to receive some education on firearms may have been victims of a home invasion tht almost cost them their lives where they lost more than just possessions,now they live in fear and have lost tht god given right to feel safe inside your own home. Where is the respect for our elders? I salute them for taking tht step to protect theirself.. U never know, tht same old man...or tht same old couple, may have to save YOUR *** one day
     
  6. irpotential

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    My point wasn't to make fun of this man. It is his right to own that gun, but I don't think he's doing anyone any favors by carrying it. I suppose I believe a little bit more in states requiring you to qualify with a weapon before you may carry it in public. If you think I'm out of line, go ahead and fire away (words not bullets please).
     
  7. Bushman

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    When I took my handgun safety class (a requirement to obtain an Oregon CCW) there was a blond chick behind me doing her nails in class. It started to get me a little perturbed. But when I thought more about it, this gal had a god given right to take steps necessary to defend herself.
    Saying that someone is too old sounds a lot like soylent green to me.
    Hell, that old guy just might be the one that saves your sorry *** someday.
     
  8. Jay

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    That's exactly right. Common sense would have been to assist, and advise, instead of being a smart-***. If the instructor didn't, you should have offered appropriate advice. Who did you help by ridiculing those folks after class? Most likely they were "sold" on the gun by someone who thought they knew what would fit another person's hands. Just the opposite of what I recommend. Your post may have impressed yourself, but you didn't impress anyone else.
     
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  9. Jay

    Jay New Member

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    Show me where the 2nd Amendment requires qualification. Why in the hell would you advocate MORE gun laws?

    "This isn't making fun"? Try it again when you reach puberty.
     
  10. g17frantz

    g17frantz New Member

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    As far as being out of line.....yea maybe. Your entitled to your own opinion, but like others have said, you could have offered some assistance. The gentleman had his own reasons for being in that class and honestly if the instructor felt that he was not competent enough, he has an obligation not to pass the gentleman. I agree that some people should not be able to carry, just as I agree some people shouldn't be driving however, those are my opinions. I wouldn't feel comfortable in any situation with a gun pointed at me whether or not the person is old/young, shaky/calm, black/white etc etc. A threat is a threat is a threat. There...my .02
     
  11. irpotential

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    I don't think I said old people shouldn't carry guns. This individual's hands constantly shake holding a pen, raising a hand, or brandishing a firearm.

    To those of you suggesting I help him. I don't know how to teach someone with that poor fine motor skills to effectively wield a weapon. But Florida law only requires you get a round safely down range.
     
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  12. Tackleberry1

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    My mother suffers from Parkinson's Disease. While holding a pistol the gun will move left to right 6". She can not control this but she does have the hand strength to handle the DA pull on the Ruger SP101 she bought after dad passed away.

    I was initially concerned with her shaking but was more concerned with the fear she now lives with being "on her own".

    This is not about Mom needing to be as proficient as shopping mall commando X. It's about Mom feeling secure in her person and property.

    It's not at all uncommon for both the elderly and the inexperienced to "be sold" a gun that is not appropriate for there skill set or physical limitation.

    It is incumbent upon ALL OF US to recognize this when we see it and offer advise. The best way to do this IMHO is when you find these folks at the range. Befriend, advise, and allow them to shoot your collection. Once they know "what they need" is pretty easy for them to trade the hand cannon or mouse gun for something easier to use effectively.

    TACK
     
  13. PanBaccha

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    If the old man (who probably seen things in his life)
    decides it is time to get a defensive weapon so as to
    protect home, family and self, I said "Kudos to you sir!"
     
  14. orangello

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    Yup, tasty and nutritious! :p
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    But seriously, maybe next time (you did say FL right?), it would be better to offer to let them try a semi-auto if available. Years ago, my grandmother actually gave me my first, last, and only snub-nosed revovler due to her difficulty with the heavy trigger pull. She instead opted for a smaller caliber semi-auto and an air horn (that i swapped her for the .38) and a overweight, uberloud chihuahua.

    Old people can be very handy, especially if you need to know how they did something before electricity or modern conveniences.
     
  15. irpotential

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    He had a Beretta auto-loader. I believe it was a 92FS.
     
  16. orangello

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    That comment was more for the Judge-wielding pair.

    The guy with the wandering aim might have been harder to help, but perhaps he could've made use of a stabilizing surface to prop the gun on or against (wall or bench) or perhaps some help with his stance or grip. Maybe a lazer sighting system or even just a bore sight and some snap caps would let him practice and work on those arm muscles. Maybe he just needed the suggestion to consider using a shotgun for home defense-type stuff.
     
  17. shadamai

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    Elderly people, especially those with physical limitations, may be most in need of a way to defend themselves. I will admit that I would probably initially find it disconcerting to be around someone with very shaky hands holding a gun. After thinking about it for a moment, I realized that I am guilty of sometimes making assumptions based on appearance. Your hands can fail you, your back can fail you, your legs can fail you, but your brain is ultimately the most important. The older people that I know are perfectly aware that certain things don't work the way they used to...and their mind takes that into account every day. So it isn't fair to assume that the 'old guy' will make a poor decision because his hands shake. That is just my opinion.
     
  18. Durangokid

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    Can you be sure that a young healthy person will not be impaired while armed? The use of drugs or alcohol can and does impair individuals. Can you be assured that everyone regardless of age can make a correct choice in an armed conflict? No none of the above. The right to personal protection is a right in a free society. This right can not be dependent on what one group thinks it should look like.:confused:
     
  19. hoodweisen

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    When i took my test in missouri the coot that gave the thing was also selling end of the world dvds that he had made. Also he had some other coot from the local western cherokee nation (who by the way looked less native than myself and im a 16th) that was supposed to be the local Nations emergency response guy who was also taking the test so happened they were buddies and at the end of the course they asked for people to hang around so they could tell us about their dvd collection.... so apparently said guy from the cherokee nation used to be a submariner and in the eighties had done secret gov submarine tests that showed how high the water would be after the ice caps melted the only safe locations were the ozarks rockies and the appalacian mountian ranges so of course he had hightailed it here to missouri. The guy issuing the class he had several dvds out and is a nra big wig ( according to him they call him to help out all the time) and private investigator and which he concluded to tell us why he was in town investigating a cold case from way back...( in my opinion i wouldnt be telling random ppl that but anywhooo) Now in his brillance he has figured out the gulfstream has already stopped and when the ice caps melt its the end the world and if we bought his dvds he would prove it. His name is John R. Moore here is his website .Liberty Management LLC

    Im sorry if any of u take this guy serious but i thought it an insult to my intelligence to listen to the guy i mean yes im worried about the health of the planet and yes I believe the ice caps could melt but what good is selling the proof at ccw classses other than for self financial gain
     
  20. ArizonaLawman

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    It seriously irritates me when so-called instructors hawk merchandise in a school setting when they are supposed to be devoting that time to teaching.

    When I run classes, I only do a maximum of 8 students (10 if it is one group) so I can keep my eyes on EVERYONE, and give everyone the attention they need. My classes often run long because I will spend time after it has ended to continue to work with someone who is having a particular issue, or to go into much deeper Q&A. This is one reason why I no longer do CCW classes for a fee...I do advanced combat handgun and lethal force classes. I will, on occaision, do CCW classes for women or new gun owners who have been referred to me, but it is rare, and usually a one-on-one session.

    I do NOT sell gee-whizz tacticool products or my own dogma pamphlets. About the only thing I do have available for sale are copies of "IN THE GRAVEST EXTREME" by Massad Ayoob (at cost so it's not profit motivated), because it remains to this day the best book on lethal force ever written for non-law scholars.