They're at it again.

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by rsandam, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. rsandam

    rsandam New Member

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    The anti gun crowd is at it again. They couldn't even wait 24 hours after the shooting to start their BS.
     
  2. sputnik1988

    sputnik1988 Active Member

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    Welcome to FTF. Drop by the introductions section and tell us a little about yourself.

    And yes, it speaks greatly of someone's character when they use tragedies like this to push their own agenda.
     

  3. libwguns

    libwguns New Member

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    I've seen some good reasoned discussions on this forum about the weaknesses in many anti-gun arguments. But simply labeling everyone's concerns as "BS" if they're outraged over another mass murder by a multi-gun shooter isn't one of those reasoned discussions.

    It's not realistic to think that all Americans are going to give thanks for their 2nd Amendment rights on a national day of mourning. Many will ask questions and wonder if maybe they can't get a discussion started with responsible, rational gun owners that could possibly make things a little better - for everyone.
     
  4. Jim1611

    Jim1611 New Member

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    We should all be outraged over these shootings. For many reasons too. You're right, not all people are going to realize the importance of owning firearms or knowing how to use them. They need to be educated and we can all have a hand in that by promoting the good of gun ownership. We can start that in our own families. We all have relations that are afraid of guns and will swallow all the lies of the liberal media and it's our place to set them straight.
     
  5. libwguns

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    I dunno, maybe it would be better to respect how those family members feel, leave the "L" and "C" words out of the discussion, and just lead by example?
     
  6. rsandam

    rsandam New Member

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    Its not the guns that kill people. Its wacked out people like this dirt bag. I respect all sides opinions until they say things like " if we banned guns in this country this wouldnt have happened. Criminals dont follow the rules. My thoughts and prayers go out to every victim and their families.
     
  7. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    a gun is an inanimate object with no reasoning, no emotions, not any type of intentions, whether good or evil. the person using the gun has full use and power of how it's use is applied, whether good or bad. for a person to blame an object for a senseless tragedy such as this incident, is, well illogical and stupid. there is but one to blame, the person who did it. he decided to do evil and used a gun. if in the same frame of mind that he is in, and had used a car and mowed down as many people, killing and injuring them, would we be yelling to ban cars? probably not. but the anti gunners want to blame a gun for the actions of this demented individual, as if that made any sense. right.

    gun control laws have never solved or detered any crime. GFZ's have never prevented crime or detered it. gun bans and restrictions have never reduced crime or dtered it. because the criminals don't play by the same rules as law abiding citizens in the first place. what we need are stiffer penalties and punishment for those who use guns in criminal acts, not stifle the law abiding citizen for the actions of the criminals. so in essence i am for criminal control, not gun control.
     
  8. kdog

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    The thing is, gun grabbers mostly argue, that taking away legal guuns will prevent shootings.
    What shootings do the grabbers want to prevent?

    Here in germany they argue, that if big bore firearms are banned from private homes and private ownership, there will not be any further shool shootings or rampages with legal guns.

    And that is the exact arguement. They are only interested in school shootings and rampages, that had been performed with legal guns.
    They are not interested in homicides, driveby shootings or any other shootings, that have been performed with illegal firearms.

    At least here in germany they argue like that.
     
  9. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The anti-gunners are always at it. They seldom rest; especially the rich ones like Bloomberg and politicians like former PA governor Rendell. The Brady Bunch, on the other hand were awash with cash 20 years ago; now they have trouble paying the rent.
     
  10. Jim1611

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    I understand your thoughts om that. Here's a very good example of the education part though. Many that say guns should be outlawed, I have an aunt that feels this way, are absolutely ignorant of many things that go along with proper gun ownership. Much of what she thinks is based off of fear. I talked with her about these things and even though she will never own a firearm she now at least knows that if she's around me and I have one she won't get killed by gun being close to her. She actually thought a firearm could just be leaning in the corner and kill someone on it's own. It's hard for us to imagine that line of thinking but it exist and the news people exploit it and make it even worse.

    I've also got a daughter in law that was afraid of guns. Now, after some plinking at targets with a 22, she enjoys them. She is more intellegent than I could ever hope to be but had never been around firearms. Her smarts made her easy to teach safety and even the mechanical side to forearms. Like my aunt she was living in fear. Not anymore. People like these examples are won over to our side even if they never pull a trigger as long as they understand we have the right to keep and bear arms.

    Leading by example is number one.
     
  11. alxltd1

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    I will agree with you that discussions, debates, and rants on either side of the gun control issue have no place while we as a nation are mourning the loss of 12 innocent souls to the actions of a madman. However, when I hear the terms "rational gun owners" and phrases like "make things a little better" I am reminded that they are in fact the talking points of gun control advocates determined to totally eliminate private gun ownership. The use of these terms and phrases are intended to lull the public into believing that their cause is not extreme or radical but just the "right" thing to do. Sorry but the only safeguard against such devious strategies is to go on the offense immediately and keep the focus of the discussion on the real issues. Calling the opposing position BS may be harsh, but it is understandable given the continous stream of lies, half-truths and well bovine excrement that passes for the main points of the opposition's position.
     
  12. Sonic82

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    The call to ban guns is knee jerk and lacks intellect...banning Glocks might make sense...ever hear of a nut job useing a SIG or Walther? We need more CCW participants.
     
  13. dragunovsks

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    Yes we do, more level headed Americans with ccws is the only way to prevent future massacres.

    "An armed society is a polite society!"
     
  14. libwguns

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    Hmm... so "control" means "ban" and "rational gun owners" are ones who would give up their ownership? That wouldn't be rational. :)
     
  15. jimjc

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    I have owned guns for many decades...I shoot and collect them so I have a few...So what I`m going to say will upset some...

    Until sensible gun owners start the discussion of who should not own certain guns... laws will come down that no one likes... there will be gun control at some point...so gun owners can either be part of the discussion or be left out...

    People in this country are not going to hide their children and themselves in their houses because it`s to dangerous to go out.... just so people can own certain guns...You can have every logical and legal argument you want but there is a ever growing consensus that something needs to be done....

    We can expect the gun lobby to come after many guns available to the public today because no one has a way to determine who will be another mass murderer...plus big cities have monumental problems with guns gangs and innocent people.....

    I know many will say who cares the second amendment gives me the right to bare arms...But remember it doesn`t say what kind those arms will be...what caliber...and it doesn`t guarantee how much those arms will cost....They can easily increase ammo by 10x and make it impossible to find....

    If one more big thing happens in the months to come....I will guarantee things will happen....
     
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  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    JimJc, banning or restricting guns leads to all guns being banned or restricted. period. certain types of guns? who will decide who owns or doesn't? you?

    after the last post you and i debated on was deleted due to your imflammatory comments about race issues, i have zero respect for you as a member of this forum or as a person. personally i think this forum would be much better off without the likes of your kind. IMO, your a troll looking to upset and imflame the members here with your comments, and are just trying to start arguments. also IMO, i would probably serve you much better to find a forum that caters to your way of thinking, because surely you have seen, that you are definately in the minority with your viewpoints here.
     
  18. Sonic82

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    I'm preaching to the choir, but gather all the guns you can, even if it's a grand success...as long as there is one gun left (and there will be hundreds of thousands) you'll still have acts like Aurora.
     
  19. jimjc

    jimjc New Member

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    Honestly I dont care what you think...Who knows why the last threads were deleted...do you get private messages from the moderators? ...and don`t try to say I have responsibility for others racist beliefs..

    We never had a debate as you put it...A debate has facts discussed on both sides ....I had facts your responses were woefully void of any facts other than your cockeyed view of the world...and how to deal with events....

    So this is new to me..... this forum requires people only post lock step with people such as yourself...Hum I don`t think so but we`ll see...
     
  20. jimjc

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