The TSA Problem : What's the Solution?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Benning Boy, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    1) They kept body imaging scans, which they weren't supposed to, and those images have made it to the web.

    2) There are massive health concerns about the technology in the first place.

    3) Nobody's thrilled about their enhanced cop a feel.

    4) CAIR wants Muslim women excluded from these searches.

    I don't have a clear solution, so I can't gripe about their methods. How do we enhance the safety of passengers without running "Nudist Airways"?
     
  2. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    Follow Israel's example. The stuff the TSA does is BS and acomplishes nothing.
     

  3. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    That about sums it up Spitty.

    I just got back from California yesterday and the TSA employees were more concerned with playing grab *** with each other than anything.
    This was the first time I had flown while not on some type of orders in years. I was amazed that a soldier, in uniform, with a military ID, has to remove boots, shirt and belt, but the guy with the nine inch high "headgear" gets to keep on becase it's a religious thing.

    And professionalism? Forget it! The employees all looked like they were getting ready to go out for a night on the town and spoke with the same dialect I'd expect to hear on a gangsta-rap album. I figured that by the number of stripes some of them had on their epulates, one of them just HAD to be a General.

    Biggest waste of money I have ever seen.
     
  4. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    So eliminate TSA and go private? I'll buy that, but what methods will we allow them to use?
     
  5. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Profiling works, the Israelis have done it forever. Lest we forget, the 19 folks that caused 9/11 were of the same demographics - as are most bad guys...
     
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  6. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Indeed, profiling does work! Screw flying, personally, I rather take a damn train!
     
  7. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    I think if we profiled more, they'd get sneaky about it.

    Granted, Israel doesn't play around, and maybe they're worth a closer look. PC doesn't live there....
     
  8. cpttango30

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    Profiling does work. But if you start unlawfully searching every single car that pulls into a airport you are violating rights and that is not good.

    TSA is nothing more than another bureaucratic Alphabet org that was created to suck more tax money into nothingness.

    Just like Homeland security. I thought we already had a homeland security division of the government. I thought it was called the National Guard and Reserves?

    TSA did take a lot of heat over hiring a bunch of stupid thugs with criminal records. Really how are they supposed to do anything for us. Also Every time I go to the airport I see at least 1/2 of the TSA agents are FAT not overweight not pudgy but effing tub-o-lard FAT. How is tubby supposed to protect anyone from anything other than a mac attack or zombie twinkies.


    I never understand why they are pulling 80 year old men and women in walkers off to the side so they can pat them down. That is just stupid. I can also see it from the perspective of the people being profiled. I have a friend who happens to be a western Muslim born and raised in the USA very patriotic loves the 4th of July loves this country. He goes to visit family in Pakistan every summer. He has to get to Dulles 7 hours before his flight because every time they pull him in to a room and ask him questions for 3 hours. His parents are both well respected doctors in their community. He is an upstanding citizen and knows more about the country and our history than many other Americans.His parents got married and seen that they could not live the life they wanted in Pakistan so they immigrated to the USA. It took them years to get over here. They had to have bank accounts checked and all sorts of other paper work. He feel the same way as we all do about the border that we need to secure it. He has never even had a speeding ticket. So why should he be stopped and questioned for hours because his skin is a different color and he is going to see his grandmother?
     
  9. dunerunner

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    Their (TSA's) current methods do nothing. I am not going to post on the general forum what can be gotten through the system, but suffice it to say it can be done. There are those on forum know what I'm talking about.

    TSA needs to drop the empire building, or the only people who will fly will be those who have to fly. No one will take a plane for vacation, just to visit, or anything else if this invasive tactic continues.

    Drop the pat down and scanner. Have explosive sniffing dogs at the access to the gateways, along with the carry on scanning machines and metal detectors. Arm security with M16's and dress them in black BDU's.

    That is all!
     
  10. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I've heard the idea that this is just another way of warming the frog. One more way government can warm us up to the invasion of privacy they would truely like to impliment and control every aspect of our lives.
     
  11. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    I applied for TSA some years back.

    I went through extensive testing, a physical, role playing, over a two day period.

    Out of our group ( various groups were shuffled through the convention center), 8 were asked to leave. Two of us got to sit down.

    I was congratulated, told I qualified for a supervisory position, and that I was now occupying the "ready pool". I was to hang loose, I'd be called, and my Vet status guaranteed me a slot before anyone who hadn't served.

    Then TSA dumped the agency they hired to conduct the hiring process. The company left, and took my name with them.

    After my last visit to an airport, and upon viewing some of it's quality staff, I'm really rather glad of it.
     
  12. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    I applied and have not heard anything back! What is going on with TSA, I am thankful I did not get hired or even called for an interview. Some of the newer rules, sorry no my cup of tea.

    I agree with everyone else that Israel way for airport security!

    Also, if we have the hot Israel women doing the strip search, then I would volunteer for the opt-out!
     
  13. orangello

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    Maybe President Odumbo & his old lady could demonstrate how the nudie machine and feel-up are not an inconvenience by going through both for the news?

    Maybe the Israeli system is worth a try; the current system doesn't seem to be satisfying anyone but the B'crats using it.
     
  14. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    The imagine is now burned into my head from reading the comment!
     
  15. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Sorry man. {humming & thinking of kittens playing in the field}
     
  16. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    I had to re-imagine some hot Israel women strip searching me! :D
     
  17. Jpyle

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    We allow the market to dictate that. If airline X suffers several incidents due to lax security guess which airline nobody will fly. If airline Y offers cop-a-feel and you're ok with that choose Y, if Z profiles and you are offended by that choose another airline.

    In the end it's all about being serious about security and letting go of the political correctness. If a certain group that has been responsible for almost 100% of the worldwide terror acts for the last decade is offended by the extra scrutiny, tough shiz. Feeling up nuns and toddlers isn't the answer...if you did that anywhere else you would go to jail or get your azz kicked.

    The Israel system works for several reasons...a: it's relatively a low volume system compared to the US and b: they look for the bomber, not the bomb. Yes, that involves profiling but not just ethnic or nationality profiling. They are trained to observe behaviors both directly and indirectly along with extensive background checks on each traveler...again a luxury not afforded a system that carrries millions of people a day.
     
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  18. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Here is another question with the so-called TSA pat-downs (new way), where the actually go between the underwear and the skin area.

    They are wearing rubber gloves, correct! Now, do they change out the rubber gloves between pat-downs or do they wear the same gloves?

    Even doctors/dentists/medical technicians are required by health codes to change out gloves between patients, when coming into skin contact!

    This is just information to the regular flyers!
     
  19. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Are you serious? They pat you down between your clothes and your skin? They actually put their gloved hand on your naked crotch????? :eek:
     
  20. buckhuntr

    buckhuntr Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    According to what 2 of my wife's coworkers told her after recent flights, yes. :mad: One male, one female, btw.
     
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