The TSA- Mission Creep.

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by KalashnikovJosh, Oct 28, 2011.

  1. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    Mission Creep: This Tennessee Highway Is Now Patrolled by TSA - Conor Friedersdorf - National - The Atlantic

    So the TSA was going to set up "checkpoints" across Tennessee,and by all accounts it was going to do so on a PERMANENT basis.

    BUT because of the backlash of negative blog comments,they said PSYCH!

    Is The TSA Screening Drivers In Tennessee? Not Anymore

    And now they claim that it was never their intention of staying in Tennessee permanently,but that its part of their random,mobile "VIPR" (oooh what a SCARY acronym,right out of Saturday morning cartoons) program.

    TSA believes that in order to "keep your children safe" from the "evil (fill in the blank)",you must accept random violations of the 4th amendment like this one:

    Prison Planet.com » DHS Announces Halloween Checkpoints In Tennessee To Keep Children Safe

    I don't know about YOU,but there is something about a government that would intentionally "let walk" thousands of guns across our border and into the hands of organized narco terrorists,in order to claim legitimacy to advance its anti-2A agenda and raise its stupid "assault weapons ban" up from the grave yard of failed policy,something about a government that has a consistent record of intentionally creating problems in which the "solution" is more power for itself at the expense of OUR LIBERTY,that I don't trust,especially when they want to "keep the children safe".

    Seriously,would you trust a group of thugs who's resume includes gun running and groping strangers around YOUR kids?:eek:

    Far from needing government to keep our children safe from whatever evil menace it can scare suburban housewives with,we really need to keep our children's freedom safe from the government that wants to destroy the legacy of liberty that we SHOULD be handing down to them from our Founders.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    -Benjamin Franklin
     
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  2. trip286

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    I was looking forward to seeing how those ole boys put up with it. Especially the ones somewhere between Nashville and Knoxville.

    Some of them apparently adopted the new USMC motto: No better friend, no worse enemy.

    They'll give you the shirt off their back if you treat them right, and if you don't, you might just disappear. At least that's been my experience.
     

  3. orangello

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    The article indicated the TN Highway Patrol officers were doing the actual inspecting; i don't know how many people (even the ever-more-policed truck drivers) would pull over for just the TSA.

    They can kiss the fattest part of my ***.
     
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    4 more years???:eek:

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    The TSA;

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  5. trip286

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    So he's going to fund my next handgun purchase? Schweet!!!:rolleyes:

    Looks to me like he's been busy taking security away from the civilians instead.
     
  6. EagleSix

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    ...wow...things must have changed since I had little guys during Halloween. My kids went with an adult, up and down our neighborhood streets. I never once remember them going trick-or-treat on the highways!!! At least one adult was armed, and I don't need the likes of the TSA or DHS or any other agency safe guarding my kids during trick-or-treat....I am fully capable of handling that myself.

    They keep reaching out, probing, trying things out......it does appear they are scrambling for more civil power and control....

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  7. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    As soon as you quote Prison Planet or any other Alex Jones front group, you lose almost all credability with me. I know Alex Jones. He is a little bit insane and a huge helping of hype. Mostly Bull Sh!t.

    WTS, about 5-10% of his "stuff" is real. Somewhere in the back of his stories is a shred of truth. He just takes it to the nth degree. If TSA dog handlers were assisting the THP with truck checks, then suddenly there is a vast conspiracy? Maybe a couple of dogs needed more search time to get certified? That makes Alex Jones day. That is perfect for him. Suddenly TSA dogs are sniffing your grandma's crotch for drugs in her home in Boca.
     
  8. fmj

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    anyone ever notice the very Nazi-ish "sobriety check points"!?!?

    Now i am all for safe driving conditions, but having to pass thru a "check point" in a supposedly free nation bothers the hell out of me. But every one loves the idea because its "in the name of safety" so its ok to give up a freedom.

    Incrementalism kiddies, incrementalism! They take your (OUR) rights a piece at a time. First check points, then the patriot act...if i took the time, i am sure i could come up with more examples.
     
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    AHH yes, heres two more that just popped intomy head....

    Knockless searches in the name of the "Drug War".

    Here, its now law, you cannot forcibly resist illegal searches of your home in the name "LEO safety".
     
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    Admit it folks, you no longer live in a free state....you live in a police state and it gets a little worse every year.
     
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    And it AINT just Osama! even tho he is the current poster child. REAGAN started the whole "Drug war" aka war on the american people and baby Bush brought the (un) patriot act to a town near you. Yanno, Wireless phone tapping and clandestine searches. Every last ONE of them SOBs in DC are to blame!!

    Isnt it about time to vote LIBERTARIAN!!!
     
  12. trip286

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    I just LOL'd a little. Can't help but wonder if you meant to do that.
     
  13. trip286

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    By the way guys, Fox News poll today said that 76% of Americans are unhappy with our country's current situation and the direction it's headed.

    Now that doesn't take into account those that are just pissed off because they want socialism...
     
  14. EagleSix

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    Robo,

    I understand your frustration with this type of thread. I do not watch or support Alex Jones, however in this reference, the TSA did assist the Tennessee Highway Patrol for 2 days, it is posted on their web site. And, the Jackson Sun did run the article on the Tennessee Highway Patrol setting up Halloween check points, referenced at Prison Planet.

    With that said, I certainly do respect your opinion, as I do the others here stating theirs. I assume (maybe I shouldn't) from your User Name, you are either former or current law enforcement. And, in no way do I intend to influence your opinion by mine. I have worked in and around law enforcement and security as well as the military. I am in no fashion anti-LEO. I'm going to make another assumption (this could really be off the mark).....you are a sworn state, county or city police officer, not a fed. Also, you either serve as full time or part time on SWAT (or, whatever name your agency uses). My final assumption is, you are very good at what you do, respect the constitutional rights of others and perform your duties as fairly as would be reasonable. If I'm anywhere close.....Thank You for your service and dedication.

    Now my opinion.....when I hear these complaints, allegations, etc. I go searching out the truth with some research the best I can. Normally I find what I need to make a decision on the validity of the claim relatively easy. If not, I will always error on the side of the street cop. It takes far more than Alex Jones, Glen Beck, or Fox News to sway my opinion. However, I do have this concern, with a few local agencies and especially any federal agency, things may be going in a direction we are steadily loosing our rights.

    I 100% agree with you.....if a cop is caught up in some wrong doing, they should be investigated, charged if enough evidence implies a crime was committed, and sent to trial......no different than anyone else. But this is a very wicked two sided coin. Because most all street level enforcement coppers can find themselves in a real pickle, just trying to do their job. And, I think (at least I know a few) we have lost a lot of great cops because of the BS being claimed against them.

    Nevertheless, I like to keep my eye on these issues and almost always will lean toward the side of freedoms first.

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  15. robocop10mm

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    I am certainly not saying that the whole story is bunk. TSA may well have ben involved in some sort of operation with THP, but TSA stands for Transportation Safety Administration. I don't think their only mandate is air travel, just the most visible one. Truckers are sransportation. Motorists are transportation when using public, especially Federal, roads.

    Do I like Federal involvement in local matters? Absofreakinglutely not. Do the Feds have some degree of jurisdiction on Federal roads? Sure.

    I am not a blanket "the cops are right" kind of guy. I just know that when Alex Jones gets his fingers into a story, the end result is far from accurate. He is really no different than 99% of the "media" in that regard. He just takes a different slant than, say, CNBC. BS is BS no matter what breed of bull it comes from. I have smelled way too much BS come out of Mr Jones mouth to believe the stink is not there.
     
  16. EagleSix

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    Robo.....fair enough, I respect your opinion, and agree with you on Alex Jones.

    Here is what concerns me.....
    San Pedro Valley News-Sun | Benson, Arizona > Archives > News > Sheriff upset by feds' refusal to grant access
    Sheriff upset by feds' refusal to grant access

    Published: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:16 PM CDT
    Derek Jordan/Wick Communications

    Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said federal authorities were out of line when, acting under orders from the FBI, U.S. Border Patrol agents refused access to Cochise County deputies who responded to the scene of an incident involving a vehicle allegedly attempting to strike a Border Patrol agent on Hereford Road Monday afternoon.

    "This was a clear departure - a radical departure - from anything that's been done in the past," Dever said on Wednesday.

    Dever was returning from the state capitol the day of the incident, which also saw a Border Patrol agent fire his or her weapon, when he said he got the call from deputies informing him that Border Patrol agents had secured a perimeter around the scene and had launched their own investigation.

    Tempers at the scene got heated, nearly culminating in a physical confrontation between the two law enforcement agencies.

    "This is unprecedented. It's never happened before in my 35 years" with the sheriff's office, he said. "They have no authority to keep the sheriff or his deputies away from what is our constitutional and statutory authority to investigate."

    In the past, both Border Patrol and the FBI have always respected the jurisdiction of the sheriff's office when it comes to incidents involving the Border Patrol or other federal agencies in Cochise County.

    "I don't want to see that relationship destroyed because of a day of bad decisions," he said.

    A parallel investigation by his office should have been conducted, but now the moment, and the evidence, are gone.

    "Unfortunately, the damage is done. We don't have the physical evidence," he said. "Anything that was out there is gone. We've got nothing to take a look at but their product."

    The sheriff added that by blocking off the roads in the area, the agents also prevented local residents access to their homes.

    "It wasn't right. It was outside of any protocols we've ever established," he said.

    When asked for comment, FBI Public Affairs Specialist for the Phoenix Division Jennifer Giannola said, "The FBI takes the relationships with our state and local partners very seriously. We value the historically good relationship we have had with Sheriff Dever and the Cochise County Sheriff's Office and we are working with him to address his concerns."

    A U.S. Border Patrol spokesman in Tucson referred all inquires about the incident to the FBI.

    Dever said he has spoken with local FBI representatives as well as Border Patrol and, as of Wednesday (Oct. 19), had not received an explanation as to why his deputies were refused access to the scene.

    "It will not happen again. I made that clear to both of them yesterday," he said.

    The sheriff's office is conducting a separate investigation into a motor vehicle collision involving Border Patrol agents who were pursuing a Dodge pickup truck that occurred in about the same area and about the same time as the first incident.

    The pursuing agents eventually rear-ended the pickup truck with their SUV on Hereford Road near Copper Glance Road. The individuals in the pickup fled the scene, while two Border Patrol agents and an illegal immigrant in the SUV were transported and treated

    (Derek Jordan is a reporter at the Sierra Vista Herald/ Bisbee Daily Review.)
     
  17. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    Yep.

    Jones is indeed crazy and a bit lacking in credibility.

    But as I've pointed out before,so is CNN,ABC,PBS,FOX,etc- and just about any other main stream media outlet.

    The fact that I use his reports in any thread I'd like to bring to the attention of other forum members should reflect on my personal credibility no more or less then if I were to use any of the other media organizations in this day and age.

    You can trust one thing about the media today- they will always slant things towards their own agendas,no matter who it is doing the reporting or what the reporting is about.
     
  18. culdee

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    thinking back to another thread, the state and local police are going to eventually be forced to follow their conscience and the constitutionally based laws, or the Federal militarized police and an out of control govt. The current admin is doing an end run around the constitution and as quoted by our illustrious prez. that if he doesn't get his way he will "bypass congress." How can any "law enforcement officer" morally support that policy? And I do not mean any disrespect for those of you doing your best to follow your oath to serve and protect.
     
  19. therewolf

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    People were clapping and cheering about an internal security force in

    the US with the size and resources of the U.S. Army?

    "So this is how FREEDOM DIES?

    WITH THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE?"

    Senator Amidala