The South us standing up for Americans~

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Sniper03, Jan 26, 2012.

  1. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Latest news from Tennessee,
    Due to the arrest of a Tennessee woman who was a student who went to New York to see ground zero and was arrested for having a handgun on her with a valid Tennessee Permit. The S has hit the fan in Tennessee! Representative Nicely of Tennessee has introduced a resolution in Tennessee that all NY motorist best abide exactly by the traffic and other laws of the State of Tennessee if traveling through the State of Tennessee! And has sent the information on to Mayor Bloomberg of NY City! God Bless the South! It is about time that Americans started standing up for Americans instead of the Liberal anti second amendment Socialist that are trying to running our country! I am originally from the North but the South has the right idea!:)

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  2. orangello

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    I agree with your sentiment, but this is similar to the whole "legalize cannabis" movement in that what she did is currently illegal where she did it. This just goes to show, again, that "legal" does not equal "right".

    On one hand, i support the state's rights aspect of letting each state's citizens make their own decisions/rules (not saying that is how NYC's firearms laws got sooooooooooooo moronic in the first place). On the other hand, i support the lady's 2nd amendment right to be armed.
     

  3. BigByrd47119

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    It really depends...I mean...if your of the opinion that states have a right to levy gun control laws, then yes, the argument is similar to the legalize cannabis movement.

    On the other hand, and precisely where I stand, I believe that the "shall not be infringed" portion of the Second Amendment should be taken in a literal sense, and I charge the Federal Government with the responsibility of stopping states from creating laws which infringe on Constitutional rights (see Second Amendment).

    Hopefully that was written in a manner that is understandable...
     
  4. kfox75

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    In all actuality, the law she broke is a You Dork (New York) city, and a state law. I live in NY state, and a pistol permit issued in the county I live in is NOT VALID in NY city. She is not the first person I have heard of being arrested for this "crime". A former LEO I know, who moved to Florida from upstate NY, was wrrested for the same thing two years ago. A federal law allows him to carry anywhere he is, within the US. I believe it is called the LEO Protection act, and it allows them to carry so they can defend themselves if attacked by a former convict they have arrsted. His case made the national news at the time, I'll try to fimd a link and post it. Point is, they (NYC) ignored a federal law and violated his 2A rights, as well as her 2A rights. And yes, you did read it right, you need a permit to own a pistol in NY state! And you must be a resident.:mad::rolleyes:

    As to the State of Tennesse's response, nail anyone who breaks the law. But, bear in mind that not all of us with NY plates are from that $hithole. And not all of us are anti-gun Libs, Atleast not on the western side. Thanks for starting this thread Sniper, I think I'll be changing my plans to go visit my aunt in Nashville though, I don't want to risk it.:D
     
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  5. kfox75

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    Actually Gello, I can answer part of that. Mayor Sullivan of NYC (1905-1911) had ties to the Irish gangs in his wonderful city. When the Italian mob and a few other organizations moved in, he got with the city council, and brought up the idea of regulating who can own guns. Liscenses were issued (crookedly) and city law banned ownership without proper papers. Sullivan died two months prior to the law taking effect. The event that made it a state matter was an asassination attempt on the new mayor, while he was on the courthouse steps with the Govenor. A former city employee ( from Jersy no less) tried to kill both of them over him getting fired. Funny how the gang connection and the fact that the would be asassin was not a city resident never made it into any NY state history books! I appologize for it being abridged, but I don't remember all of the particulars.;)
     
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  6. AIKIJUTSU

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    Part of NYC's ongoing effort to keep the streets safe for criminals.
     
  7. bkt

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    That's a nice idea, but it would require the government repeal NFA and GCA '68 and disband the ATF. Then, the courts would need to unambiguously incorporate 2A against the states. Then, a bunch of challenges to state and local gun laws would need to make their way through the courts to get existing laws struck down.

    *sigh*
     
  8. orangello

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    Yup, they don't allow the greasy grease, passed allow against crossing a street while wearing headphones, and don't allow much in the way of firearms rights; next thing you know, all the NYC people will be wearing city-mandated diapers.
     
  9. jon1992d

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    The thing that I dont understand about NYC is why would you not want your population to protect themselves in a place that has such a high possibility of terrorist attacks. Since 1990 they have already been attacked on 2 different occasions that i know of. If I was in charge I would want my residents to have the ability to protect themselves from all threats domestic and foreign. As far as Tennessee saying what they did, I think thats great. They are standing up to themselves and reminding NYC that they are not the capital of America and they dont make the rules.
     
  10. Tackleberry1

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    This is why I support HR 822 National Right to Carry Reciprocity which passed the House last week.

    Basically it does for CCW's what we already have for Drivers licenses. If a state issues CCW's to it's own residents, "of which 49 States now do in some form" then you must honor the permits issued by other States.

    IF we can get this through the Senate by a veto proof margin it will become the law of the land and the only option for places like NY City and Chicago would be to accept it OR throw out there state issue permit system. The political cronies "currently the only ones getting permits" in these jurisdictions would not let that happen.

    I'm all for State rights but this is a Civil Rights issue! If the Fed's can STOP southern states from segregating schools on the Civil Rights argument it can certainly use the same logic to protect Americas newest dispariged minority...CCW HOLDERS.

    Our right to be secure in our persons and property should not stop at ANY state line.

    Contact your Senators and urge them to support HR 822.

    Tack
     
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  11. bkt

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    New York City is populated by idiots. Why would their mayor be any different?
     
  12. vincent

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    That's why the South will rise again...next, we shall take Topeka!!
     

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  13. Chandler51

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    This is the same mayor that is working to shut down gun shows in other states. He says its because NYC criminals are getting their guns from them. Since it seems that other places don't have this "problem", and that only NYC criminals are getting guns from out of state gun shows, it seems to me that the better, more suitable course of action would be to not allow ppl from NYC out of the city limits.
     
  14. trip286

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    I love the south, and I think its cool as hell that the lady's home state is sticking up for her.

    However, she conducted some idiot behavior for not checking and extensively researching local gun laws of the place she was traveling to.

    Does the 2A give us the right to keep and bear arms? Its supposed to, but I can't help but wonder what rock a person has been living under if they don't realize that some states have implemented unconstitutional laws they should be aware of.
     
  15. orangello

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    They want the people to turn to the government for ALL of their needs, basically becoming hapless serfs with nothing better to do than line the pockets of their "leaders".

    I liked the time his "agents" showed up at that Alaska FFL that the dude "WildAlaska" on TFL ran; IIRC, they got run the ef out.
     
  16. alsaqr

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    i know a dozens of ladies who pack legally. Every one of them knows that NY state has no reciprocity with any other state. i can't believe the lady in question never heard of a visitor being arrested in NY City for packing. All the lady had to do was click on this map:

    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/travel/


    Politicians of both parties in NY are overwhelmingly anti-gun and anti-self defense. Case in point: US Rep. Peter King.

    Oh, BTW: New Yorkers with a concealed carry license are allowed to pack in TN. Yep, that Yankee tourist money is a powerful thing.:D
     
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  17. jimitee

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    New york is the capitalism hub of this country. From the banks to the exchanges, tourists from around the world cone here to spend. Met two girls from Holland that came to NY to shop. Went to an Wine and snack bar where hundreds of people daily shell out 30-50 bucks for a small plate of cheese and a glass of wine.the economy is thriving here.gun laws are awful here but it has always been a tough anti handgun state. Call em what you will but Socialist is not the word.. This is a place where lawyers bill at $500 to $1000 per hour. The key for all of us as Americans is that we are 50 states with different ideas and laws. Most of my friends are against more federal control and more states rights so if New Yorkers want to vote in folks that are anti gun, that is there privilege. As long as they dont dictate the rules in your state, all should be ok. Now if people dont respect the laws of state they have two choices... Stay out or play by there rules unless they are willing to take the chance of consequences. I love NY but would not move here because i love having the freedom to collect and shoot my handguns, my m4 and my AK all banned in ny
     
  18. kfox75

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    The problem with the vote outcomes in NY is that the NY city metro area has most of our population, and that most of that afformentioned population are sheep. The ones who try to effect change are in the minority, and are mostly from the western or northern parts of the state. The cr@ppy gun laws are only in the city, The rest of the state is not as bad.

    And for the record, handguns, AKs, and ar-15s\ M4s are allowed in NY State. Most of the time, they can be found in any LGS. Granted, the "black rifles" must be either pre-ban or NY state compliant, and you need a permit for the handguns before you can even buy them.:mad: I think you have us confused with the People's Republik of Kalifornia, we are not that bad yet! And yes, YET IS THE KEY WORD. My wife and I will only be here another 3 years, when the daughter graduates HS, we are gone. I am not defending NYC, or their effed up laws. I am just stating that not all New Yorkers have their heads up their @sses. Keep in mind that the reason I will not travel to NYC is because my NYS pistol permit is NOT valid in NYC.

    I am not trying to start an argument or trolling. I am just trying to set the record straight. I feel that NYC's gun laws are a joke, and that they are unconstitutional. Arresting that woman for exercising her second amendment rights is a travesty.
     
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  19. Durangokid

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    The intermountain West and Alaska are the only Free States in the nation. The most antigun freedom stealing presidents are from the Southern States. LBJ Txs., Carter Ga., Clinton Ark. Bush the Elder Txs, They gave us the 1968 Gun Laws, Brady Bill, BATF,Banned Assault Weapons, Banned Mail order, Back ground checks closed armorys to gun shows, register to buy black powder, too many laws to mention. Al Gore of Tenn. cast the tie vote to approve the Assault weapons Bill. Gore Tenn,. has been a rabid antigunner. Tenn. should remember what their favorite son has done to all Americans.:eek:
     
  20. alsaqr

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    i watched Al Gore vote for the AWB.

    President Jimmy Carter did not sign any gun control legislation nor did he mandate gun control through presidential executive order. As CA governor, Reagan signed the putrid Mulford Act into law, outlawing the carry of loaded guns in CA. President Ronald Reagan, the so called "gunowners champion", banned a shotgun from import in 1984 and again in 1986: This was the first time a long gun was banned from import. The precedent set by Reagan has been cited by anti-gun presidents Bush I, Clinton and Obama.

    After he left office former president Reagan shilled for the Brady bill, a seven day waiting period and the "assault weapons" ban. The AWB passed the US house by one vote. At the last minute two Republican congressmen changed their minds and voted for the AWB after an appeal by Reagan. 76 House Democrats voted against the AWB. 38 House Republicans voted for the AWB.



    "Gunowners champion" my @$$.

    http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1998/importban-kf.htm

    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/us/gun-control-bill-backed-by-reagan-in-appeal-to-bush.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html
     
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