The Pedersen Device

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  1. DrumJunkie

    DrumJunkie New Member

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    The Pedersen Device: The WWI super-weapon that (almost) won the war



    I haven't seen anything about this before here and I happened across the article and thought y'all might like it.



    Read about the Peterson Device here.


    Making an 03 into a completely different rifle had to be pretty wild at the time. I've never seen one of these devices in the real world. I'd love to check it out though.
     
  2. MisterMcCool

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    The military adopted Thompson's .45 acp trench broom instead. Because of ammunition availability, lethality, and capacity I guess.
     

  3. Jagermeister

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    The one gun I want to own is a full auto tommy. Oh, I so wish it so, so bad.
     
  4. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Do you plan to return to the states?
     
  5. Jagermeister

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    Nope. So no tommy gun for me. So, maybe I will have to buy another cool weapon over here. A non-AR PDR, maybe a tactical AK from CZ or HK carbine in .45 acp maybe?
     
  6. c3shooter

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    I have a half dozen rounds of .30 Pedersen ammo, courtesy of a generous member here. The Pedersen device was in the field in 1918. The Thompson was not in production until after WW 1 was over.

    If you visit the National Firearms Museum at the NRA HQ in Fairfax VA, over in the WW 1 display is a rifle with a Pedersen Device installed.
     
  7. nitestalker

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    There were a number of 1903 Spflds. with Pedersen cuts. These rifles had a large slot milled in the left side of the action. This allowed the insertion of a long stick magazine. A Pedersen Devise is extremly rare.:(
    These were never manufactured or issued to troops as planned. The German Mauser C96 "Broom" was a much superior weapon. The idea of a small caliber military rifle remained shelved until WWII. In WWII the small pistol caliber M-I Carbine became a legend.:)
     
  8. chuckusaret

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    Yep, full production was not started until 1921 and the first model was designated the M1921.
    Thompsons were still in use by the US, Korean and Vietnamese forces until 1971. Many of the Thompsons along with thousands of American and foreign produced weapons were dumped into the sea as we begain troop withdrawals. Faster and cheaper to dump them rather than ship them home.
     
  9. nitestalker

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    Cheaper than shipping these arms home? Very doubtful conclusion. The "Tommy" gun was the assault weapon of the "Trans War" period in the U.S. The full autos could be owned shipped in the mail etc.
    Criminals did use some mostly stolen from police and National guard. The entire crime wave of the depression was blamed on the Thompson. The Liberal Democrats finally pushed through the taxation bill in 1935 effectively limiting their use. :(
     
  10. JW357

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    Very interesting. I only read a little bit of it, basically until I understood what it is. When I get home I'm gonna finish reading it. Still, very cool.
     
  11. masterPsmith

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    A friend of mine has an 03 with an original Pedersen Devise and I have had the privilege and honor to having fired it. It was a great experience to fire a rare piece of history.


    Jim......
     
  12. JimRau

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    Was the ammo the same as the 30 Mauser??
     
  13. masterPsmith

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    If I remember correctly, it was a 7.65X20mm straight wall rimless cartridge. The U.S. designation was "Cartridge Caliber .30 Model of 1918", or ".30-18 Automatic". The cartridge had the same dimensions as the French 7.65X20mm.
    Jim...................................
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2013
  14. c3shooter

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    MasterP- good recall!

    30 ped ammo box.jpg

    30 ped ammo.jpg
     
  15. JimRau

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    Thanks guys. I had heard was the same, but it is not.:)