The one time you're not armed...

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by JoshX3Magazine, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. JoshX3Magazine

    JoshX3Magazine New Member

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    Once you've obtained your permit to carry a concealed firearm and begin to do so on a regular and eventually habitual basis, have you ever noticed that on the occassions you go places WITHOUT your firearm, you feel naked and somewhat vulnerable without it? Or is that just me?

    I just got back to my home in Northern Virginia after spending Christmas with my better half (yes I admit it) and her family at their home in Myrtle Beach. The ONE place down there I didn't carry concealed was the one place that I wished I'd had my pistol, and feared for a few moments that I'd need to defend myself. While buying some sodas at a local convenience store near their house on Christmas eve, two salty-looking characters came in, hoods on, hands in pockets, and split up. One wandered the store near the front, the other immediately went to the back of the store, checked the back door and looked in BOTH bathrooms before joining his buddy. They wandered the store pretending to shop, waiting for the other customers to clear out. Having noticed these two, my fiancee's brother and I stuck around and made small talk with the cashier (and warned him quietly when the thugs weren't looking), then waited there until the two thugs finally got the message that we weren't going to leave the poor unarmed clerk there alone. They finally left after 15 minutes, without buying a thing.

    Last time I look at my pistol and say "well it's just a 5 minute trip down the street, I won't need that..." and leave without it.

    Hope your Christmas eve was somewhat less eventful!

    Just thought I'd share.

    Josh
     
  2. Louisville

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    I hear ya there. Don't leave your gun at home. Odd how the holidays bring out the crooks and wierdos.

    Christmas day my beautiful bride loaded up the kids and went to the gas-station. Before she unloaded the kids to go inside she used the ATM that was on the side of the store. While she was getting some of my hard earned money she heard someone honking. When she turned around there was a crusty old black guy sitting in his car rubbing one out while staring at her and my oldest daughter. She turned back to the ATM dialed 911 and pushed my daughter towards her car. The guy decided to get out of his car and started yelling at her. Yeah she was carrying, but a guy came out of the store and ran him off.

    If two little things happened differently things could have gone very badly. Though on a good note the cops got there really quick, and she was calm enough to get the guys plates. Cops called her the next day saying they picked the guy up and he has violent priors, and is on the child offenders list.

    Guy is lucky I wasn't home that day.
     

  3. hillbilly68

    hillbilly68 New Member

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    Yeah, all the times we dont carry when we could, when you really think about it. I think we all hae a little bit of a state of denial that something could happen, and all have a little bit of a little voice that says "dont be parananoid". Murphy's law, if something bad happens it will be at the worst time. Glad it worked out for both of you.
     
  4. JonM

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    after leaving texas 10 years ago for the people's republic of wisconsin and a good job i havent carried concealed since and i STILL feel naked without it. nowadays i carry a nice combat/work knife or two when possible... leaving this liberal hell hole wont be soon enough for me
     
  5. Glasshartt

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    There are very few times that I go anywhere unarmed, but when I do, I am extremely watchful of my surroundings. I have run across people who I have arrested before in stores and resturants and is is very dicey. When DZScubie and I go somewhere together, usually I am the one who is armed. If someone tries something, they will probably go for him first since he is the "man" and discount me. Boy will they be making a big mistake. Besides, in the summer, in this weather, it is easier for me to carry than him.
     
  6. gorknoids

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    This past summer, I had to lock mine in the truck while doing a job at a school. When I got back to the truck, a regular-looking guy on a bike rode up and engaged me in conversation. After 20 seconds, I understood that he was either very jacked on crack or totally insane. I had precisely one screwdriver and a heavy spray nozzle at my disposal, as my firearm was locked in the cab of the truck, just 8 feet and one whackjob away from me. Lots of yelling, jerky physical action, and for some reason a fixation on showing me his fake I.D.
    After a good 5 minutes of waiting for the S to H the F, the guy rode off. I am not condoning breaking laws, but you just never, EVER know when things are going to go South without warning.
     
  7. General_lee

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    So far I have not been in a situation like that, but I do get the same feeling if I am unarmed... I feel vulnerable.
    Thats exactly why I bought my .32 keltec, I can carry it year round nearly everywhere.
    Lately I've been using it as a backup as the cooler weather has been allowing me to carry the 1911 in a shoulder rig, but sometimes during the warm months the keltec will become the primary defensive tool.
     
  8. Louisville

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    I don't want to be the killjoy or anything but dont let your gun lull you into a false sense of security.

    This really isnt directed at anyone just a disclaimer. Your gun does not make you safe. Your willingness and ability to use it profeciently at the right time and to the right level when your moment of truth comes and your general level of awareness are what make you safe.

    Im not saying that anyone here does this but if you drop your awareness when you are carrying then that gun isnt really doing you any good.
     
  9. Glasshartt

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    It's not that I drop my awareness when I am armed, I just know that I have more options available when armed than when not. When not armed, I have to be aware of what is available to use as cover and/or improvised weapons should the proverbial thrown excrement hit the rotating oscillator. :)
     
  10. Jess

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    most of the places I go are "pistol free zones" my work (medical care facility) my school, my kids school...so my pistol has to stay locked in the car. This drives me bonkers. Especially considering a prof was murdered in her classroom a few years ago at my school. Shattered my sense of security there.
     
  11. spittinfire

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    Glad to hear it all worked out alright and nothing got ugly.
     
  12. Kage0113

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    I hear ya there. IT seems that people don't want us carrying on college grounds, which sucks. School shootings don't happen very often, but when they do, they are tragic. IF the students that could get a CWP could carry on school grounds, a lot of lives could be saved. Take the Appalachian Law School for example.
     
  13. NGIB

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    Here in GA it is a 10 year felony to carry on school grounds. The BGs know that the students are not armed so it makes for an effective and safe hunting ground. The schools in downtown Atlanta, Georgia Tech for example, are very popular with criminals...
     
  14. Puff

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    I hadn't had my cpl for very long before I drove to NY to visit family.

    Here I thought I was still in the "getting used to carrying" mode.

    But when I had to pull over onto a wide shoulder at the PA/NY state line and render my firearm inoperable - WOW - I sat there in driver seat as the knowledge that I was completely vulnerable again washed through my entire body.

    Yeah - going back home again - back to the set of car keys in the ignition as my best means of protecting myself and my daughter from an assault.

    Back home to wits & alertness ONLY, back to keys, high heels, rocks, dirt, sticks, screaming, a purse with a heavy object in it, finger nails, the plastic gun case my useless gun was locked up in at the back of my SUV...

    That was the 2x4 hitting me that I was actually completely use to carrying and totally naked without my gun.
     
  15. c3shooter

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    FWIW, I am rarely unarmed, except in the shower (the rubber duckie and the bath brush are of limited use in defense)

    However, I am frequently in places that I cannot carry a firearm. Yes, I miss my Smith & Wesson. Remember the most effective weapon you ever carry is about a 1/4 below your hairline.

    Situation- you are running down to the local Stop-N-Rob to grab a gallon of milk. It does not matter what time of day. Really, it does not matter. You pull up to the stoplight, and are fooling with the radio when a stranger pulls open the passenger side door of your car. STOP

    1. How did this person approach close enough to grab your doorhandle without you being aware of it? 2. Why was that door unlocked to begin with?

    Having survived the "Hey, spare change, man?" panhandler, you continue to the mini-mart, park, notice that you also need gas, and walk in to the store. You walk past the register (nobody there) and grab a gallon of milk from the cooler- and come face to face with a man with a ski mask and a knife. (Note- you are in Florida, where folks rarely ski). STOP

    3. You walked into the store without looking at what you were walking into- No staff visible, register unattended. No customers visible.


    The person in the ski mask is Singh, who has been opening cartons in the freezer. You pay for your milk, and head home. Just as you pull off the main drag, your car dies. Out of gas. (So shook up at Singh, you forgot to get gas) Your cell phone is not working at that location. You walk to the video store 2 blocks down, call home for a ride, and walk back to find your window broken, your GPS and stereo gone. STOP

    4. Let your vehicle get below 1/4 tank, and you put yourself at risk of HAVING to stop at the station you don't want to. 5.Leaving valuable items visible in a car, even for a short time, is likely to result in vacuuming broken glass from under the seat.

    Sorry, really do not mean to preach, but the average person getting mugged is 2-3 seconds into the mugging before it sinks in. Use your brain, stay aware of what is going on around you.
     
  16. JoshX3Magazine

    JoshX3Magazine New Member

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    Absolutely Right!

    You guys in here talking about the importance of situational awareness and such are absolutely positively right. Your gun is by no means a free ticket out of a dangerous situation, and in this current sue-happy, anti-gun world, even using your gun to protect yourself or a loved one could end badly for you.

    I'm by no means old (at least that's what I keep telling myself) but even I remember a time when the doors on the family house were either open or unlocked at almost all times. Times have sure changed...

    Josh
     
  17. Louisville

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    We still leave our doors unlocked. But that is only because it is really hard to get through our yard what with all the land mines and pungy pits.
     
  18. Jusselin

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    this happened to my brother (google elton richard in new mexico) but the guy broke into his house and while his wife and new born were sleeping, my brother wrestled with him trying to hold him there until the cops could make it, they ended up struggling for about a quarter of a mile down from his house when the guy took my brothers gun off him, (if my brother wanted to ultimately kill this guy he could have done it as soon as he saw the man) but he tried to let the police handle it) and my brother then took it back and put a bullet in this gang bangers chest...sorry but its dog eat dog when that stuff happens its kill or be killed, and my brother served 6 months in prison for murder and is out on parole now and he lost his job as a federal agent and can never be in law enforcement again, he also had to get rid of all his fire arms...8 year marine vet. served our country for 8 FU#*$& years as a sniper and he went to prison for defending his wife and new born
     
  19. Wolf1066

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    Here, situational awareness and improvisation are the only weapons we are allowed (grudgingly, I suspect - if the govt could find some way to make even more people into unimaginative, oblivious idiots they would... as evidenced by what they're doing to our education system).

    We cannot carry any weapon for personal defence, not even a knife or baton. The law does allow us to use "reasonable force" to protect ourselves and people have successfully defended themselves against murder/attempted murder charges by reason of self-defence, even when firearms have been involved, but it gets very messy and nasty really fast.

    Our firearm storage and carriage rules make it very rare that a person would legitimately have a firearm in a state of readiness at the time of the encounter - which usually leads to knotty questions about how you came to be able to use a firearm at all, given that it should have been completely disabled unless you were in the woods or at a range...

    People have also been jailed for defending themselves - it depends on your lawyer and the jury.

    The crims don't care about the law, of course, and happily carry stolen/smuggled firearms, knives and other weapons and violent crime has been steadily on the rise, as have violent turns to traditionally non-violent crimes such as burglary (when the burglar is surprised in the act).

    When I go out at night, I have to be extremely mindful of my surroundings and the situation as my options are very limited.

    I've been in some bloody knotty situations where I've been at real risk of anything from a severe beating to potential loss of life or permanent maiming. I've gotten out of thosu situations on wits alone - and wondered later what the hell I would have done if I hadn't noticed the situation when I did.

    I also wonder what would happen if some intruder entered the house while my kids and I are sleeping - and what if the intruder is armed?

    My rifles and shotguns are - as per the law - locked away, the bolts and ammo are locked away separately. I do not yet have a pistol licence (time and money do not permit) and if I did, the pistol would be even more securely locked away.

    It may be a good exercise for some of you - if you don't already do it, that is - to imagine that, for whatever reason, your firearms are inaccessible in the middle of the night when some SOB armed with a knife, stick or firearm enters your house.

    What are your contingency plans, what steps do you take to protect life and limb, what do you have lying around that can be pressed into service as an improvised weapon?
     
  20. c3shooter

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    Don't screw with us old guys that use a walking stick. Some of us know how to use it.

    :rolleyes: