The next move of the gun grabbers

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by molonlabexx, Apr 18, 2013.

  1. gr8oldguy

    gr8oldguy New Member

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    Who exactly is coming to get my guns? I hope they wait until next week because I just picked a new one up today and I'd like to get a chance to shoot it a couple of times before "they" take it away.
     

  2. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    The "Yea" section of this list...
     
  3. Rocky7

    Rocky7 New Member

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    It won't take months and it won't need much momentum, IMO.

    It will come soon in both our countries and it will be called the Arms Trade Treaty.

    Even before his most ambitious gun-control proposals were falling by the
    wayside, President Obama was turning for help to the United Nations. On
    April 2, the United States led 154 nations to approve the Arms Trade Treaty
    in the U.N. General Assembly. While much of the treaty governs the
    international sale of conventional weapons, its regulation of small arms
    would provide American gun-control advocates with a new tool for restricting
    rights. Yet because the Constitution requires that two-thirds of the Senate
    give its advice and consent to any treaty, Second Amendment supporters still
    have a political route to stop the administration.

    Like many international schemes, this treaty has seemingly benign motives.
    It seeks to "eradicate the illicit trade in conventional arms and to prevent
    their diversion to the illicit market," where they are used in civil wars
    and human-rights disasters. The treaty calls for rigorous export controls on
    heavy conventional weapons, such as tanks, missiles, artillery, helicopters
    and warships. Yet, as with many utopian devices, the treaty fails the test
    of enforcement. Some of the world's largest arms traffickers either voted
    against the agreement or abstained. The U.S., quite rightly, already has the
    world's most serious export controls in place, while nations such as North
    Korea, Syria, Iran, Russia and China will continue to traffic in arms with
    abandon.

    But the new treaty also demands domestic regulation of "small arms and light
    weapons." The treaty's Article 5 requires nations to "establish and maintain
    a national control system," including a "national control list." Article 10
    requires signatories "to regulate brokering" of conventional arms. The
    treaty offers no guarantee for individual rights, but instead only declares
    it is "mindful" of the "legitimate trade and lawful ownership" of arms for
    "recreational, cultural, historical, and sporting activities." Not a word
    about the right to possess guns for a broader individual right of
    self-defense.

    Gun-control advocates will use these provisions to argue that the U.S. must
    enact measures such as a national gun registry, licenses for guns and
    ammunition sales, universal background checks, and even a ban of certain
    weapons. The treaty thus provides the Obama administration with an end-run
    around Congress to reach these gun-control holy grails. As the Supreme
    Court's Heller and McDonald cases recently declared, the Second Amendment
    guarantees an individual right "to keep and bear Arms" such as handguns and
    rifles. Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce remains broad, but
    the court's decisions in other cases-even last year's challenge to the
    Affordable Care Act-remind us that those powers are limited.

    International treaties don't suffer these limits............


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324504704578413110123095782.html
     
  4. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    Yeah the UN is pretty much the foundation of a one world order.
     
  5. gr8oldguy

    gr8oldguy New Member

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  6. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    About what?
     
  7. sputnik1988

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    Nothing to be scared of, this is nothing new, 'they' have been after our guns for 100 years, nothing has changed.

    They wont ever stop either, so its up to us to either let it happen, or support our pro gun groups and remind those who betray us that we run the ballot box. There will always be those who wish to take our God given rights, we cant stop that, but we can be stronger than they are.

    We cant just continue this defense of our remaining rights, its time to take the fight to them and reinstate the rights that have been taken from us. As long as we 'hold our ground' they will periodically gain ground on us, we have to take ground from them and let it be known, that they can't trample us as they have done for so long


    It's time to take our rights back and I think this reciprocal concealed carry and GFZs (thanks 95sniper) are a good places to start.
     
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  8. 95sniper

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    Sorry, wierd double post.
     
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  9. 95sniper

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    And gun free zones. It makes me sick to hear people say that they would rather give away our rights to be "safer" it really makes no sense.
     
  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The U.S. Senate will not ratify the treaty.

    Gun control is a dead issue in this congress.

    Do we need to worry about 2015? Maybe, maybe not.

    My only worry now is that in 2017 we might see "The Hideous Hag From Hell" in the WH.

    And she's a helluva lot smarter than the Anointed One.
     
  11. bamashooter68

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    After the Bengazi scam I don't see Hillary getting elected president.
     
  12. Rocky7

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    If it matters, this is nothing new. Every fascist in history has made that promise part of his platform. People put on chains because they are led to it, not because they like chains.

    This will pass. It will require a committed effort to deflect and put down, but it will pass.

    RR talked about this in The Speech. He stood on the shoulders of others who came before and so did the epic political philosophers you call your Founding Fathers. It continues. We will prevail.
     
  13. Bigcountry02

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  14. nitestalker

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    This U.N. boogeymen stuff is ridiculous. The U.N. is going to march into America and disarm the largest standing army in the world? The American civilian gun owners number in the 100s of millions. The leaderless poorly trained cowards that make up the U.N. military are a joke. The Girl Scouts and Brownies could take them out in one day.:eek:
     
  15. 4tsmith

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    They don't have to do anything to take our guns. 94 million SILENT gun owners will continue to hand them over without a struggle while the 85% radical left media trains the useful idiots to ask for them to be taken.
    The problem will be compounded by a fair number of sage old dogs who line up to tell us we're being over reactive and paranoid,or at least they did in 68,86 and 94-95....OOPS!!...and just a few weeks ago.(It's a tough life being a canary in a coal mine)
     
  16. 95sniper

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    I guess that helps, it's just mind boggling to me.
     
  17. Rocky7

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    Yup, it is.

    Freedom is a funny thing. Everybody likes to talk about it but only some of them really understand what freedom is. A lot of people fear it. They want something softer, safer and easier.

    If you'd be interested in reading on the subject, a possible start would be "Discovery of Freedom" by Rose Wilder Lane. She wrote the Little House on the Prairie series - which is real odd because the book is not drippy melodrama at all; quite the reverse. IMO, she missed the mark on Moorish culture/history by quite a bit but otherwise she offers a lot of insights. It was a wildly popular book in it's time. She tried to rewrite it until the the day she died but never managed to get a rewrite finished.
     
  18. 95sniper

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    Thanks, ill check that out.
     
  19. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    First, look at the link. Resist 1776??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Gimme a break
    .:p

    A NUTZO EXTREMIST WEBSITE that couldn't understand the truth if it bit them on the arse.

    The same people are still fighting desperately to keep the paranoia level high sao they can keep their revenue stream intact.

    These people are nothing more than fear-mongers preying on the uninformed.