The News Media and Gun Rights

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Spider, May 13, 2011.

  1. Spider

    Spider New Member

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    During the concealed carry class I took several weeks ago the instructor spent a few minutes pointing out something that hadn't occurred to me: the phrase, "a shooting" or "a gunman" is used without much in the way of an explanation as to circumstances when a homeowner or other armed citizen successfully defends himself or herself using a firearm. Especially if it is out in public and the "shooter" is a concealed carry permit holder (that will seldom come out in the news, and I'm not sure why because they do most often identify all involved by name).

    We just see something like, "the shooter claimed he was being threatened so drew his handgun and fired two shots, killing 30 year-old 'so-and-so'."

    The news articles pretty much always give the impression that "the shooter" was some wild-eyed, evil nut with a gun, and of course, guns are evil in and of themselves. :rolleyes:

    If the news were more along the lines of how a weapon saved a law abiding citizen who had a permit to carry, would that be so bad?

    Something else that seems goofy is the growing fad of retail shop owners and other businesses putting up "no guns allowed" signs in their windows and on their entrances, virtually barring law abiding permit holders but giving the green light to crooks who see an easier target knowing that no armed customer in there will have to be dealt with... but that's another subject. :D
     
  2. Car54

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    News is based on sensationalism, which makes people guess, and which make people pay attention to that reporting unit. Most people guess to the worse rather than the good side of the news. Very few articles are written to show the good side or the good deeds that people or organizations do.

    Re; No guns allowed, I believe it is a twofold thing. One, by posting no guns allowed, may think that it reduces their liability in the event there is a shooting inside the store.

    And two, whether those in favor of open carry want to admit it, some people are afraid of guns and do not under any circumstances want to see them out in the open. They don't give a hoot that it's a constitutional right, they just don't want guns flashed within their eyesight.

    My advice, keep it concealed and no one knows you have it. Worse case scenario is that you are asked to leave the shop if they happen to spot your gun. They cannot have you arrested unless you fail to leave when asked. It wouldn't be the proper time to engage in a "right's battle" because you are on private property and they have the right to ban or bar people and articles if they so choose.
     

  3. BlindOldMan

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    Enter some pistol competitions :) That way, if asked, you have the option of saying, "I am a sports shooter. I enjoy competition." Or not. Your right to carry arms really doesn't need to be defended by someone looking for a story (or to make controversy where there is none).

    As to those shops that put those signs up: vote with your dollars. :)
     
  4. Spider

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    In my state it is against the law to carry a firearm into an establishment that has "no firearms" clearly posted (usually the red circle with a slash through a pic of a handgun), so your advice cannot be taken by me (well-intended as it is, I'm sure). There is also a long list of other places they're not allowed, posted or not: post offices, schools, "places of worship," etc.
     
  5. Jesse17

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    Here in Montana there is no such thing as gun registration, but that doesn't stop the Billings Gazette from saying things like, "police found over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, and a unregistered shotgun." :mad:

    They are anti-gun and use left wing tactics like that to slant their writing to fit their agenda. There is no such thing as NEWS these days, it's all COMMENTARY biased one way or the other.:mad:
     
  6. camiller

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    The list is below, the clause that allows the business owner to bar weapons is the second to last. For what it is worth, while I think it is silly for a business to do so I also respect property rights, it the owner or owners representative doesn't want it there it should be his call.

     
  7. Spider

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    I'm with you on that! But I think they should address the issue from the standpoint of just who would obey such a sign.

    Also, regarding press attitides about guns, the "law abiding" part of "law abiding citizen with a concealed carry permit" is very important to me because that is what separates us from those who should be demonized: crooks with guns, and there are thousands of them out there (thus our need to lawfully carry).
     
  8. pandamonium

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    As for the media, they like to keep you glued to their channel with fear, if you notice, before a commercial break, they like to lay a tidbit that will make you think if you don't watch you could miss the next and greatest threat to mankind, or some general murder and mayhem!! Fear and tradgety, death and destruction, that is what sells the news. Don't forget the main stream media is largely liberal and will almost never portray gun owner in a positive light.
    As for the no guns allowed, either leave you gun in the car, or keep it on your person. If the law says it is a crime, then as with any law, it is up to YOU to obey( I hate the word OBEY for some reason). If your firearm is properly carried(discreetly), then who would know? Any way you look at it, it is your responsibility to be a law abiding citizen. Because these establishments are private property, they can call "no guns allowed", it is stupid as hell if you ask me, but hey, I guess the world needs prey as much as it needs predators!!
     
  9. Jesse17

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    Absolutely! I think it should be up to a business owner who works for him, who he sells to, what he allows in his store, etc. I think banning smoking in bars or any other business is bull-pelosi. It should be up to the business owner to decide how to run his business, and up too the customer if they want to shop under those conditions.

    I won't patronize a business that prohibits guns.
     
  10. camiller

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    I agree, I equate those signs as equal to "Victim Zone"
     
  11. Jay

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    Private property rights are one thing. If the general public is allowed into a business, and state law does not specifically prohibit concealed carry in that "class" of business, (ie the Post Office)then a "no guns" sign does NOT carry the weight of law, and as stated, puts you in legal danger only if you refuse to leave when asked.

    ...at least in Indiana.... I"m NOT an attorney.
     
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    As to "no guns allowed" vote with your wallet.

    I NEVER enter or use an establishment which restricts my freedoms.

    Hope they have a profitable time without my financial input,

    and good luck with the bankruptcy...
     
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  14. Spider

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    I agree in spirit with what you're saying. But in actuality the weight of law here in Nebraska is spelled out for us (as quoted earlier in this thread): it basically tells us that to carry in a "no guns" posted establishment is a violation.

    Violations result in forfeiture of the permit and fines.

    I spoke with a lady who owns a candle and macrame store not far from where I live. She has a big decal on her glass door with the red circle and slash through the pic of the handgun. I kindly pointed out that criminals see those signs as a green light for them because only the law abiding permit holder would feel obligated to obey the sign.

    "I just don't like guns," she replied. My explanation did not penetrate her deep "anti" feeling about firearms.

    That was that. Gift candle purchase made at another store in town.
     
  15. Jay

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    I like those.. first time I've seen them. That part explaining about the permit/background check, etc is very good.

    Thanks for the links!
     
  17. Jay

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    Ask the lady who owns the candle shop......

    Which woman is morally superior...... the woman who lies raped and bleeding at the feet of her assailant, or the woman standing over her assailant with a smoking gun in her hands ?

    Just tell her an old guy who believes in the right of self defense, and the Second Amendment wanted to know.
     
  18. JTJ

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    The news media usually does not lie, they just dont tell the whole truth. The same thing happens in court from professional witnesses.
    We have a couple of markets here that have no gun policies handed down by upper management. The local managers are smart and dont want to lose business so the posting is only on one entrance.;) Locals know to use the other entrance which is not posted.
     
  19. Jesse17

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    Why would they post at all then? Oh never mind, I guet it. I thought you meant they didn't have 'gun' policies, I see now you meant have 'no-gun' policies.:eek:

    [ame=http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=696_1180323980]LiveLeak.com - Some Examples of Mainstream Media Lies[/ame]
     
  20. PanBaccha

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    The media is not a news reporting source anymore for me. They seek to sensationalize occurrences to raise their ratings. And are instructed by their owners to 'report' it as news in their all-too-familiar sing-song manner of joviality. :(