The need for communication if SHTF

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by opaww, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Some things one may look at for communication if SHTF happens is, CB radio, Usually this is cheap and has a fair distance to it. Or one may go the little more expensive Ham Radio, which has a longer range, more power and more versatile, some are very small and lightweight. Both can be gotten for use with a car battery and /or AC outlet adapter/plug.

    Hand held walkie-talkies are OK but have limited range; there are a few expensive one that can reach out to ranges of 15 miles +/-. These offer some added advantages in that many have memory that can be programmed to access a given channel at a given time.

    Prepaid cell phones would be great except when most people get one they screw up something vital to personal security that it makes them useless. That being their name and address that they put on the activation page of it when they are activating the prepaid cell phone.

    An object of SHTF is anonymity and stealth. The cell phone can be activated by transmitted code and you can be tracked with a group or agency using your very cell phone as the tracking device. So if you had a cell phone and some ultra social-ist government agency, group, or osamaobama’s Hitler youth was looking for you it would not be too hard to find you. If one was to buy a prepaid cell phone and list a fake name address ect. To it then they do not know it is you, there fore they would not see you but would be tracking someone else.

    Something that is overlooked in communication in an SHTF scenario is a small portable computer using wireless Internet. A desktop is out of the question sense it is not portable. A regular laptop is a little heavy and bulky to pack with you. Today though we have very smell and light weight hand held computers that are someplace in the range of 1 Gig Ram, 120ish Gig Hard Drive and weigh just a few pounds like this one Acer Aspire One AOD250-1326 Netbook - Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz, 1GB DDR2, 160GB HDD, 10.1" WSVGA, Windows XP Home, 3-Cell, White LU.S690B.037 at TigerDirect.com

    The significances of this type of device being used as a communication device are that you can register under a fake name. It will allow you to up load and use encryption programs for sending receiving encrypted messages to others who are set up like you are. The power supplies is light and rechargeable with a lightweight foldable solar panel. One can pre-type and encrypt the message then connect to the Internet via wireless connection send the message very fast and disconnect hopefully before a trace/track can locate you. And just as important if you have the right encryption program it is virtually impossible for the government to break the encryption.

    This type of Notebook is running for as little as $199 up to and around $500. Not to mention that a smart guy should be able to adapt some form of Ham/CB radio to it for comms. use without breaking into the wireless arena.

    A definite plus would be multiple communication devices, but weight would be a concern here. The Notebook with wireless LAN and also using a connection to a ham radio would allow 2 deferent methods of communication transmition. If one was to say rotate the transmission sources it would make it harder for the bad people to get a fix on you sense they would detect you on one sources and most times they will listen to that sources only waiting for you to use it again.

    Ham radio is not all but forgetting by the bad people, but does not gainer the constant monitoring by them as much as the internet and cell phones do now days so there is a chance you will not even be discovered at all or at least for quite a while.

    Regardless if one gets a CB radio, or a Ham Radio one thing to make sure that this unit does not have is a Navigational device with it such as GPS. Why one may ask? Well it is because the bad guys can track you via GPS real easy and only takes a few seconds to know where you are.

    Remember if it has any transmit capability (with the exception of Ham/CB) the bad guys can use it to find you.

    opaww
     
  2. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    You're overlooking the military's ability to intercept and jam any/all radio bandwidths.

    Some of the jamming equipment is so strong that it can blow radios apart. I've witnessed first hand, what an AN/TLQ-15 jammer can do.

    The AN/TRQ-32 interceptors can direction find and intercept radio communications even if the radio sets are running "in the black" which is frequency hopping mode.

    There are also smaller vehicle and man packable units that are capable of traveling further "behind enemy lines" that can intercept, jam and DF most radio communications.

    I spent 3 years with a Military Intelligence/EW unit. You'd be surprised with the capabilities of such units. If the task force S2 (intel officer) was using his intel assets properly, there wouldn't be a movement made nor a word spoken that would go unnoticed on the battlefield.
     

  3. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Excellant point Matt, and you know your como. As stated any and all radios, including hand held and Ham, could be monitored. Do you would know what a PLL is and its use. Don't disappoint me.
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    DWDM, a burst transmitter, and a Fiber Phone. Done and Done. Just need to know color, channel and time & nobody is going to find you....

    There is Fiber to the Curb in half the cities around the country already. Damn near every cable and phone company has Fiber to the Node technology. That makes for a lot of open lines of communication with not a large outlay in gear ( even cheaper if you just steal it after the SHTF :D )

    I'm just saying.... I've thought about it.....:rolleyes:

    JD
     
  5. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Damn, you too Dillinger, I am impressed big time with you guys. :D
     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    We aren't all the Muppets you thought we were when you showed up. :D

    JD
     
  7. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    I think you have me confused with someone else? If I thought you were
    a Muppet or anything else similar, I sure as hell would have told you straight up! I know the signs and symptoms, and the smell of BS right from the start! :D
     
  8. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I have wondered how the cellularly-addicted would handle not being able to push-to-talk. Personally, i have over 3000 rollover minutes on a 450 minute per month plan; i have a failure to communicate here. :D

    As to your small portable personal computer for communication, have you played with an ipod touch? I read this forum from one about half the time (keyboard is kinda pokey).
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    LOL - C'mon. Admit it. When you first got here and were running through all the "Space Zombies" and the "SHTF" threads you were thinking none of us had any clue what we were doing.... LOL
     
  10. jng2985

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  11. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    LOL....well lets just say I was not going to give out all my secrets of survival. I did spent a lot of time, on the the Government's dime surviving and existing with very little or no support, other than 11 other team members in some pretty out of the way sh!t holes in 3rd world countries and living with indigenous populations.

    Though I have a little real world experience, and by no means am I claiming to be an expert or an authority on survival, but I do know every situation is different, I do think there are a lot of people out there who think they are prepared, are going to have some real eye opening awareness about real world survival, lack of everyday luxuries and the complete lack of morals, and true evilness that will emerge from desperation from their fellow man. ;)

    P.S. I am a not a fast keyboard typer.

    Jack
     
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  12. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Our GSR teams were 3 guys. We typically operated up to 10 miles from the FLOT. We used field expedient jungle antennas and 303s.

    Once, we setup a field expedient 303 and talked to our BN staff duty NCO from Camp McCall. It was about 50 miles from us to where he was back on Bragg and we used nothing other than a PRC-117, an adapter that we jerry rigged with Radio Shack parts, commo wire and MRE spoons.

    We learned a lot of field expedient commo tricks from our LRS-D commo guys.

    PLL is phase loop lock. I'm not 100% sure what you do with them though.
     
  13. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Matt- were you running a vertical half rhombic? I used to do a fair field expedient ground plane, and if I had bamboo, WD-1 and some 550 cord could whip up a cubical quad. Left the Yagis to the flag waver types.:D

    Due in part to the ease of MIJI with most radio commo, I stepped back 100 yrs or so for my commo needs around the home bunker. Back in the early days of rural, party line phone service, there were very few phone lines in rural areas. But there were phones in the farms, and they worked. Use the upper and middle strands of barbed wire fencing (cedar fence posts) as your phone lines. Simple loop circuit works, even if cut in one place (feeds from other end)

    Back when the military was first going digital on land line commo, a bunch of TA-1s and TA 312s hit the surplus market REALLY cheap. Yes, can be tapped. But if you are tapping, you are in range! :p
     
  14. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I believe that 303s are vertical half rhombic. They require some math to get dialed in just right and they need to be oriented in the intended direction of transmission. They can also take advantage of ionospheric refraction. The downside is that they're tuned for the single emergency contact channel and as such, require you to transmit 'in the red'.

    Jungle antennas are a pyramidal quad. There is only a minor loss of performance over a cubic quad, but they require no math to tune and they'll support frequency hopping. Jungle antennas are the standard field expedient antenna for ground forces today.