The Myth of Total Disarmament vs. The American Spirit

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Dillinger, May 26, 2010.

  1. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Once again we are at a time in our short, short history where people are somehow under the belief that hundreds of thousands of honest, good, reliable members of the law enforcement community and our own military are either going to stand by while we are disarmed, or assist in the process. Ad hoc. :eek:

    Let's take a little trip down Hpyothetical Road again and see what we find out.

    His Moronness the False Messiah gets the anti-bkt to create some hocus-pocus government powers to grant him the right to supercede the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, side step congress, plow over anyone who says otherwise and immediately kneels before the Mighty U.N.

    Their first move is remove every handgun, rifle, shotgun and anything that falls into the category of "dangerous device" from the American people.

    What do you think is going to happen with 50 UN troops and 17 dump trucks roll into a community in Anywhere USA and start going door to door demanding weapons be turned over?

    Sure, they might get a few houses at the start, but is word not going to spread?

    Do you honestly believe people are going to pile out the front door, lock step, and just march right up to the garbage trucks and toss thousands of dollars of weapons in to be crushed?

    Does that sound like something the average, American gun owner is going to do?

    Jesus Christ man, they can't even get us to fill out 16 blanks on a survey and send it back. What do you think the odds are of this happening??

    Oh, and the military and the cops are just going to fall right in line with some "leader" from the UN?

    Sure thing. :rolleyes:

    Just until one of those cops or LEO's has to go to a community where they live, know someone, have family or just plain figure this is against everything they took an oath to protect.

    So, I give that a 2.4% success rate of anyone in uniform just going along with the crowd beyond the first, 3 to 6 hours - at BEST?!?!

    But, somehow the martians land and they use the happiness rays and everyone gives up their guns in the first state ( better pick NY or NJ or Kali, less guns to worry about ).

    You don't think word is going to slip out?

    You don't think the entire state of, oh, I don't know Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Tennesse isn't going to be prepared??

    My god - with the world watching it would be the Redcoats and them squirrely US Pioneers all over again.

    But wait - The Messiah cuts off the sun and then the rivers dry up and the crops die and the animals start dying out and becoming extinct, so we all just give in to peer pressure and give up our guns.

    And then we have every single community in the United States with about a million, or more, weapons that were NEVER registered because they were passed down through the family, brought back from the war, hijacked in transit or bought from JCP Penny through the mail or at the local hardware store for cash back in the day.

    Nobody has any record of those.

    What about all those people who bought components and built weapons for their own personal use?

    What about every single tinkerer, garage mechanic, welder, tool & die guy or just some guy with natural ability to see something and re-create.

    You think it's going to be hard to re-outfit a group of like minded folks with weapons? Sure, they won't say Colt on them, and maybe they won't shoot 500 rounds a minute, but they would still be capable of taking a life.

    Then what do you have?

    About 25-35 out of the 307 MILLION people in the US that are now little roving bands of armed gorillas.

    How many would have formal training? A ton of them. How many can fly a jet, or drive a tank, or strip a ma Deuce and pack it away from some site they ransacked? A GIANT god damn percentage of them...

    If the last several hundred years has proven anything, is that you can never control all of the people and that small bands will continue to create havoc on large occupying forces.

    The only difference if it were to play out in the US, as opposed to all those other countries, is we have a SH!TLOAD of people that can build their own weapons, including machine guns.

    Just stop for a minute and imagine trying to disarm the neighborhood YOU live in.

    Think of the magnitude of THAT Waterloo.

    I am not saying stick your head in the sand and assume it will never happen - but holy hell, use the head God gave you and think about the massive impact such an attempt would have.

    Who, in their right mind, is going to be part of that plan??

    JD
     
  2. NGIB

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    Great post JD. I live and work at the home of the 3rd ID - and these are my friends and neighbors. They value their rights and liberties as much as I do. One of the fellas I invited here (he didn't find a home here though :() was the Sheriff of a GA county and he used to explain very often that if the feds ordered him to do something draconian - he'd tell them to go pound sand.

    Yeah, the liberal bastions such as NYC, LA, SF, and others would probably go along with anything; however, come here to the backwoods of GA, or TN, or KY, or TX and see how your plan goes.

    A few years ago I was reading one of the left-wing sites (for laughs) and there was a hot thread running about how the left should just "confront" US and whip US into submission. Things were going well in their ideological chest thumping until somebody posted that WE have all the guns and know how to use them...
     
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  3. IGETEVEN

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    JD thanks for that detailed and very CORRECT IN TRUTH summation of logical reasoning.

    Total disarmament of citizens in the United States? Never happen.

    This homey don't play that game! :cool:

    Jack
     
  4. ta1588

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    Simply beautiful. GREAT POST! I was born and raised in TN and let me tell you, it ain't gonna happen here. I believe our governer just passed a bill saying that in a state of emergency LE agencies CAN NOT confiscate the weapons of private citizens (like they did in NOLA after katrina)
     
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    Yeah, I get the emails just like most of us do about how this treaty was signed opr that law was secretly passed and the guys with the sky blue hats or sometimes the Chinese are coming over here to take our guns and that's just that. So let the revolt begin!

    I can say with a great deal of certainty that thew idea might sound goiod to a room full tofu eating ex hippys but in my travels around the county and have talked to a ton of people regarding rights and general politics. and one thing is repeated when it comes to guns. "Come and take em if you think you can". or the cold dead hands thing. I personally like the I wont give the gun up but they can have the ammo...One round at a time.

    Out here where I live in Ky I do not know one person that would willingly give up their weapons. Many are handed down through family and have much more value than just being a took to use to hunt or just shoot at cans or paper. I believe that the feds know this to all too well. Short of some dictatorship springing up it would be political suicide for them to try. THere are plenty if dems that are against the over control of firearms let alone the all out confiscation. Simply put it would start a war.

    Americans have often beat the odds and defeated a Superior force. It's how we started this country to begin with. And that was a max of 30% of the colonist. I think you could get more than that right now if something did escalate today. And the feds know that too.
     
  7. G36Girl

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    Agreed

    I agree with ALL of this thread.

    But they will try. Sooner than you think. The tracks have been laid.

    I'm no chicken little. Not by any means. I'm just a very interested and concerned American who's done their homework on this matter. I've had nothing but time on my hands to research what they've been cooking up for us, and I'm very much like a pitbull on these things. I remain focused. The information is out here in the ether but it takes time, patience and focus to get through the smoke and mirrors. As a Strategist, I've been playing "chess" with this mess for some time now and it's quite unsettling how this is ramping up BIG TIME, right under the noses of the unsuspecting American People. They've got the petal to the metal now, and this is their big chance.

    Like I said..... They're gonna try. Soon.

    I, for one, will NEVER give in. And I know I'm not the only one.
     
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  9. Tackleberry1

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    If he pulls a knife...you pull a gun
    If he sends one of yours to the hospital...you send one of his to the morgue

    That's the Chicago Way!

    "Sean Connory, The Untouchables"
     
  10. G36Girl

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  12. bkt

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    The "anti-bkt"? :D

    You're right, JD. It wouldn't work, or wouldn't work well, or wouldn't work for long.

    But then what? We have a situation where the administration would put HUGE pressure on the military, Guard and LEOs to carry out the orders. Some who resisted at first might give in for any number of reasons.

    We saw what happened in New Orleans...we know there are at least a few Guard and LEOs who would follow such orders. That means there would be a split internally among Service members and cops, and that won't lead anywhere good.

    At the end of the day, when people resist...what happens next? We've reached a stalemate.
     
  13. stetson

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    I would hope all of us would resist and hide our firearms.It appears you all
    have a short memory,at the height of hurricane katrinia we had national guard
    and New Orleans police forceably disarming law abiding citizens.I can't image
    trying to protect my self and my property with no guns.Our goverment in action.If you want it done right you need to do it yourself or be with groups of folks who think like you do.The NRA sued and got compensation but the
    salt water and salty air did firearms no good !

    Many Americans don't realize that the Japanese didn't even consider invading
    the West coast of the US because of all the guns in Americans homes.This
    was in beginning of World WAR II.
     
  14. spittinfire

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    Great post JD! As much as this idiot would love to disarm America he will have a very hard time actually making it happen if possible at all.
     
  15. crossfire

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    The urban areas will be chopped up and disarmed fairly easily, most are already, and the criminals will have stashed their guns long before anyone comes to take them. Cut off food and water and electricity to the non-conformists, and they won't last long.
    Outside the cities is a whole other animal. Where urbanites rely on others to provide, the "country folks", for the most part, can be entirely self sufficient. The people out there always have been armed and probably have more time using a firearm than the troops/LEO who will be deployed and I imagine the proportion of military trained, if not actual combat experienced, is higher. I don't know of many sheriffs that will go along with such operations either. You're also looking at weapons, and hunters, capable of putting a target down before the sound of the shot reaches them. An M16 or M4 is not an ideal weapon against a .300 Win Mag or even a .25-06 in the hands of someone proficient with it in open terrain and FMJ military bullets are inferior to commercial hunting bullets in terms of potential damage. Properly organized and armed, a small group can inflict extreme casualties on any size military unit while suffering minimal loses. Familiarity of the terrain is a major strategic advantage. Even air superiority doesn't mean much if you can't locate the target.
     
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  16. Jo da Plumbr

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    Did I ever mention the horrible accident i had on the way back from Texas? The bottom of the storage box under the RV fell out and all my guns ended up on the highway. Then a caravan of semis ran right over them. Nothing left but scrap metal and splinters. :eek:

    So to point out the one flaw in your scenario JD...
    The real men in California are not giving up their guns. Arizona is only a six hour drive.
     
  17. G36Girl

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    Crossfire, this is exactly why I moved out of downtown Seattle and up to the mountains. Urban warfare is not something I want to deal with when TSHTF.
     
  18. G36Girl

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    Really? I didn't have to pay to read it. I'll post the story here in a minute.
     
  19. G36Girl

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    B.O. Said so...

    Here's the article. I'm not sure why it's prompting some to pay to read it. You can find the article here: Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ - Washington Wire - WSJ

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    Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’
    June 14, 2008, 1:29 PM ET

    By WSJ Staff
    Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from Philadelphia.

    Mobster wisdom tells us never to bring a knife to a gun fight. But what does political wisdom say about bringing a gun to a knife fight?




    Sen. Barack Obama talks at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14. (AP)
    That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

    The comment drew some laughs and applause. But it also struck a chord with his Republican rival. John McCain’s campaign immediately accused the Democratic candidate of playing the politics of fear. They also mentioned that Obama said he would use a gun that would be illegal under Obama’s plans to cut down on illegal firearms.

    “Barack Obama’s call for ‘new politics’ is officially over. In just 24 hours, Barack Obama attacked one of America’s pioneering women CEOs, rejected a series of joint bipartisan town halls, and said that if there’s a political knife fight, he’d bring a gun,” McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.

    Obama made the comment in the context of warning donors that the general election campaign against McCain could get ugly. “They’re going to try to scare people. They’re going to try to say that ‘that Obama is a scary guy,’” he said. A supporter yelled out a deep accented “Don’t give in!”

    “I won’t but that sounded pretty scary. You’re a tough guy,” Obama said.
     
  20. CA357

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    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system and too soon to shoot the bastards." ...Claire Wolf

    It's coming soon.