The BUMP in the night weapon response discussion

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Dillinger, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    This has been batted around in about a hundred different threads, but I don't think we ever devoted a full thread of discussion about it.

    Until now.

    Okay, FOR THIS DISCUSSION PLEASE ASSUME THE FOLLOWING TO BE TRUE:
    • Your alarm system either did not work, has been hacked or you forgot to pay your bill and there is no blaring alarm
    • Your dog(s) are away at Camp Puppy Fun Life and did not alert you to anything. 'Gello, your cats are too busy sleeping their fat asses off to do anything useful, so business as usual for them. :p
    • You, and the family, are home alone with no guests, no teenager sneaking back into the house after curfew, no planned late night enounters with the sandman or your mistress. :eek:
    • You are, for all purposes of this discussion, awoken to a sound that means someone who is not supposed to be in your house, trying to get in or has got in and is now pawing through your valuables in the living/dining area.
    • You have whatever weapon you normally have in your Master bedroom right now. You didn't bring your AA-12 automatic shotgun or your M-249 SAW up to clean right before bed.:rolleyes: Whatever you have beside the bed or in the closet as of the last week's worth of sleepytime
    Are we clear on the conditions? Okay good.

    What weapon do you choose to go investigate and why?

    My position:

    Any long gun, while offering better stopping power, is a liability not only because of over penetration, but because of the sheer length of the weapon itself.

    With a shotgun, or an AR if you believe that is the weapon of choice, you either have to lower the muzzle (or raise it if you never had a weapon training class I guess) or just leave it hanging out there in front of you to go through each and every doorway.

    If you leave the weapon out in front of you, and don't lower it, you are also announcing your presence at the end of each hallway or staircase.

    If you have a weapon light that is "constant on" or "strobbing", or a laser, you have added another announcement variable that doesn't help in my opinion.

    On the other hand, a pistol is perfect for clearing your own house. It's not heavy, you can easily carry an additional mag in your hand, but most importantly you can go to (high) chest center with the pistol as you come to each doorway or hallway.

    Thus the overall profile of the weapon (and you) is greatly reduced and still able to be held somewhat on target of where you are looking.

    Here is an example of chest center and then extended and firing by Chris Costa.

    Discuss...
     

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  2. kytowboater

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    I agree with the pistol. My long guns are locked in the safe anyhow. I agree the longer barrel can be a burden, even if possibly a chance to have it removed from you. I.e. sticking it out the door frame into hallway, said boogeyman sees barrel to his side, then removes weapon from you.

    I live in an apt, if your in my house, my front door is directly across from my bedroom about 25' away or so. I like the extra mag in the hand idea, hasn't thought of that. So in my position, I will stick with my no laser/flashlight mounted 1911.

    A flashlight may come in hand in "identifying" said boogeyman upon seeing a shadow figure in the dark.
     

  3. jjfuller1

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    i have my XD, 2 mags, and my mag light ready to go. the farthest i could shoot is about 20 yards. from my stairwell across the living room, to the dining room. unlike some, i have had house clearing training. its not a simple task,especially by yourself. however, i would need to move 2 kids into my room with my wife if we buttoned up. so i WILL be searching the house instead. no need to awake them for every little noise if its nothing, if its something the fight will be away from them. i know where they are and where not to shoot.
     
  4. vincent

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    I have given this topic some long and serious thought, practiced, visualized and prepared, hopefully enough...

    I'll admit to clearing the house once or twice after something went bump in the night...pistol for sure, no brainer for me...

    A long narrow hallway is impossible for me to try to negotiate with a long gun, and the only way out of the back bedrooms...

    ''Stopping power", "knockdown power", yadda yadda, 230 grains of instant act right x13 seems like a pretty easy solution, 13 more are good to go as well, and is never more than 18" from me during the night...(another super convienient yet undisclosed location :p )

    Fumbling for a flashlight is out, I have a rail light which can be used as a 'flash' or a steady light, depending on which way you flip the switch and is very easy to do with my offhand index finger. No alarm system, useless but lovable dog, but two things I have to my advantage are...I'm a terribly light sleeper, the slightest noises/sensations wake me up quick. Also, if someone were to break in there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to do so without making quite a ruckus...

    The house layout is simple in that there is no way anyone can get behind me, or approach from a side, everything is right straight ahead and I don't do warning shots, not in the house...

    I do have a fallback position just in case and have actually rehearsed getting to it several times (at the cost of a nice floorplant...:eek:)

    If they do manage to get in, I'm ready and it's going to be a bad night for that guy(s)...

    G-21 with the rail light...(I know, I know...seen one GLOCK, seem 'em all but I trust it...)
     

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  5. Shade

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    .357 Magnum revolver or a M1911 as choices. They are located
    in different places around the house. Easy to get to; not all the
    easy to find, if you know what I mean. All my friends know if they
    are coming over at to call first or if that is not an option night
    makes lots of noise outside. In general, I am a light sleeper.
     
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  6. dog2000tj

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    I have a switchback staircase in my place - from the Basement to the 2nd floor,

    As for what weapon would I choose - the pistol is in the nightstand, I have a demolition ax, a baseball bat, a hurling stick, a spear, assorted knives and a mace ...

    I weep for anyone dumb enough to come into my home late at night uninvited :cool:


    ... actually I wouldn't weep for them :p
     
  7. orangello

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    I would grab the Mossberg 500 beside my bed (illuminated dimly by the neighboring alarm clock) and the tactical flashlight beside it. Most of my place is fairly open inside, and the shotgun has a shorter 18.5" barrel and supercooltactifool black polymer (cuz "plastic" is old-tech) full stock with pistol grip and extra shells in the side saddle. Now, if i heard sounds indicating multiple targets errr attackers, the gun safe is within a dozen feet of where i sleep and is unlocked when i am home; it has three pistols hanging on the door, loaded and ready with extra loaded mags below the pistols (and the SKS with a few loaded mags, and the revolver with speedloaders on a shelf...).

    My "go to" is the shotgun primarily due to familiarity with that particular firearm; i can use it day/night and in any condition between out-cold and scared shatless.

    Rest assured, the cats would self deploy after a warning of hissing at my face. ;)
     
  8. dog2000tj

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    true :) ... but your Nighthawk has that UNGODLY HUGE silencer protruding from the front end :eek: ... which is a desperate attempt at compensating for something by the way :p ... so unless you had your arm wrapped around your back and were shooting from beneath your opposite armpit you would be announcing yourself as well ... again probably some form of "compensating" :rolleyes:


    you should stick with a spatula ;)
     
  9. Dillinger

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    I have more than one Nighthawk.:D And the one in the bedroom doesn't have the threaded barrel, but it does have the extended Tripps Cobra Mag full of the good stuff.

    That's funny, your gal was mentioning something about kitchen utensils with you working so much, so I offered to come over and help her re-organize. I thought we would start with her backyard. :cool:
     
  10. USEBOTHHANDS

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    lawn needs mowin? or plumbing needs new pipe? :D
     
  11. dog2000tj

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    Seriously compensating for something :p

    Really, a woman joke :rolleyes: ... besides, she wouldn't wear a strap on like you would like her too :p
     
  12. jcooley6960

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    Keep it by my side every night :)
     
  13. PC167

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    My gun of choice would be my Glock 27, being a small frame, it'll give me an easy advantage in clearing my house . My firearms training includes shooting in low light conditions, so if my flashlight isn't readily available, my eyes will eventually adjust to the dark .

    There's only two ways in my house front and back, and we currently use the front porch, which is in closed, as the kids play room. In it's current state, kinda looks like a war zone if you saw it. It would make an excellent booby trap though, if someones stupid enough to come in that way ... Lol :-D

    If the bg comes in through the back door...I'll have a great silhouette to take a shot at if I need too . I can take a tactical position from the dining room off the kitchen.

    This is the scenario that was rolling around in my head if I had an intruder.
     
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  14. Dillinger

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    Yeah, for an over trained trigger finger, duh! :cool:


    I think you have me confused with Marlinman, he was the one going on about rear entry with Eturnsdale.

    Though I am disturbed that it's still so vividly implanted in your mind when you are supposedly working your fingers to the bone on your construction project. :rolleyes:

    Doctor Freud? The patient is ready.......
     
  15. therewolf

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    You, and your shadow, pawin' thru someone else's swag...


    ...or is it your shadow? OOPSIEs...

    I'd go with a pistol, if I weren't in the

    throes of that whole "grumpy, prefer to beat him to death"

    thing. Which gun did I bring to bed tonight?:eek:
     
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  16. Chainfire

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    .12 ga., 870, 00B, extended magazine, short barrel, attached flashlight; It never moves from it's position leaning on my bed-post, by my noggin. I wouldn't even have to get out of bed to deal with the threat, though I would prefer to handle it on my feet. There is also a back-up 1911 very close at hand, and the wife has a S&W .357 revolver, that she shoots well, close by.

    Our bedroom is at the end of a long hallway and the other end of the hall is always lit, so the burgular will have light at his back and won't trip and hurt himself. I will be standing in the dark, and he would be standing in the light. Other than that I am at the mercy of the boogey man.

    I no longer have children in my house so I don't have to worry about the shotgun not being locked up. If a thief comes when I am not home, I will just be out a shotgun.

    A 90 pound dog also sleeps in my bedroom and he can hear a mouse fart at the other end of the house. The dog really doesn't like anyone but my wife and myself; but he is not allowed to help, by your rules. :)
     
  17. PC167

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    My gun of choice would be my Glock 27, being a small frame, it'll give me an easy advantage in clearing my house .

    There's only two ways in my house front and back, and we currently use the front porch as the kids play room. In it's current state, kinda looks like a war zone if you saw it. It would make an excellent booby trap though, if someones stupid enough to come in that way ... Lol :-D

    If the bg comes in through the back door...I'll have a great silhouette to take a shot at if I need too . I can take a tactical position from the dining room off the kitchen.

    This is the scenario that was rolling around in my head if I had an intruder.
     
  18. kryptar19

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    My bedrooms are upstairs with a switchback staircase between the two floors, which gives me time to collect myself in the middle of the stairs. That being said I choose my 9mm, with my AR loaded for my wife. She will stay upstairs tho, hunkered down by the bed.
     
  19. HockaLouis

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    Wouldn't be my usual Makarov or P-64 pistol at the moment; it'd be the 18-1/2" Mossberg 500 w/14 rounds of light #4 Buckshot on board as well as a red-lens light.
     

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  20. sdiver35

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    I keep a Sig .45 in my nightstand with a surefire EDC flashlight. If in the kitchen we have a Glock19 with TLR-1 on a magnet inside a cabinet door, if 15 rounds doesn't do it there is another spare mag in the drawer.

    Oh and two dogs which bark at pretty much everything. One is a lab, the other is a boxer, lab, pit mix (60 lbs of whimpering).