The .380 hype: Get off the bandwagon!

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by USMC_Richey, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. USMC_Richey

    USMC_Richey New Member

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    Ever since .380 has made this big comeback, people have been making up all kinds of reasons why they should own a gun that shoots it. They want to put it in their pocket or in their wife's purse or they want something they can hide in their *** before they go into prison. They make it seem so convenient to own one. All the .380 is, is a .22 that has been to the gym more. It's nonsense.

    I'm having a real hard time seeing the point of the round in general when it's hard to shoot, inaccurate, way too small, expensive, and not even kind of powerful. I shot a squirrel with a .380 once, he flipped me off and kept running.. Why would you want to own a gun that is called a "mouse" gun? Wow, that's super intimidating guys. If someone was robbing my house and I pointed one of those at him, he'd probably laugh and say something like, "nice airsoft gun bro."

    Maybe I'm a little too harsh and biased on the matter... Am I the only one that feels this way?
     
  2. griffin81

    griffin81 New Member

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    Ok well I kind of get your point. but let me shoot u in the upper leg with my .380 and then u can tell us all how week and toy like the .380 is ok.
    The 380 serves well for a pocket gun or for a wife, it's better than pointing your finger and saying bang.
    I mean, If I'm in a position I can't retreat from a bad guy I'd take my .22 or .380 over my pocket knife any day.

    play the victim, be the victim
     

  3. USMC_Richey

    USMC_Richey New Member

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    I'm not saying it's better than nothing, I just don't think this is the first round people should go for, or make their primary round.

    How about I stab you in the leg with my knife and you can tell me if that hurts? Pointing your finger.. Really? Come on...
     
  4. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    Good retort Griffin. That first post seems loud enough
    to have come from a saloon right 'bout closing time
    ! :cool:
     
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  5. griffin81

    griffin81 New Member

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    You compared the .380 to a air soft gun I mean really it's not a toy. And by the way I've had a pocket knife through the arm and yeah it smarts a little. I damn sure don't want one stuck anywhere else. But come on I just thought your rant was a little much really.

    play the victim, be the victim
     
  6. USMC_Richey

    USMC_Richey New Member

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    I know it's not a toy, and I damn well know any round hurts. Shoot, a pellet stings like hell for days. I just personally think it's a pointless round.
     
  7. gutz47

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    I'm not the biggest guy so I was considering a 380 for concealed carry. They seemed to be some of the smaller pocket guns. But after seeing a couple of 9mm that were just as easily concealed I wrote that idea off. If I can hide a 9mm as easy as a 380 I'm going 9mm. Why wouldn't you?
     
  8. griffin81

    griffin81 New Member

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    Ok understood, but I think it has a good purpose small compact and with the right round it will disable an attacker. I don't think a small gun is the best gun to learn to shoot but If it's what feels comfortable to the shooter then great. My wife carries a sig .380 because its small and accurate up to 15 yards for a good center mass shot. I'd love for her to carry a 45 daily but it doesn't work well for her. I happen to carry a 357 and it work for me but I would have no problem carrying her 380 and feeling comfortable with it in a self defense situation. As long as it goes bang every time I pull the trigger and is hitting where I want it to then im happy to have it. An I'm gonna bet all the other people on here that own a 380 feel the same way. It's not a gun is carry into a war zone but it has a great place in personal defense.

    play the victim, be the victim
     
  9. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    i disagree with ya. what counts is holes center mass. i like bigger holes but i dont mind carrying my bersas. i find them accurate easy to shoot and damn reliable.

    bersa thunder plus 15+1 rounds in the target center mass at 7 yards pretty much as fast as i can pull the trigger is a game changer.

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    as for accuracy my bersa thunder 380 7+1 gets it done at 10 yards pretty much way past any real self defense range.

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    most 380 loads will go 12" in gel which is the standard for a decent sd round. if i need a gun to put in the pocket 380 is a good choice. everything else 45acp. there is place for 380 and it isnt a useless or worthless round. there are a lot of good reliable firearms that are chambered for it. the rounds arent that pricey bout the same as 9mm or 38spl.
     
  10. BillM

    BillM Active Member Supporter

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    If you personally think it's a pointless round, then don't buy one. Simple.

    Personally, I carry one (Ruger LCP with a Crimson Trace laser) every
    day. It's in my right front pocket right now.

    380 is about the largest caliber available in an affordable true
    pocket pistol. Yes---weather/clothing permitting, I do carry
    a "Real" gun, usually some version of a 1911 or a Glock 40.

    But the little 380 is there all the time. Jeans, shorts, winter, summer,
    ---I never leave home without it. I hope it never does happen,
    but if things get truly sideways, that 380 in my pocket is going to be a
    lot more useful than the 45 I left at home because it was too heavy/bulky
    whatever.
     
  11. Alchemist

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    You're probably a young feller in your 20's or 30's all full o' vim and vinegar...

    Don't rule out the possibility that you'll be likin' your own little .380 when you're old and grey (like some of us) and tired of luggin' around your hi-cap 9, .40, .45 or whatever for decades without ever needing to fire it in SD like the vast majority of civilian CCer's...

    .380 is better than it used to be.
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree the 380 if loaded with the right ammo and accurate shot placement will get the job done. now i usually carry either a 40s-w or a 45acp but my wife carries a bersa 380 i bought for her. she practices with it at ranges of about 30' and less. she's getting better with it. no, if all i had was her bersa, i'm not intimidated by some BG. six shots center mass will take the starch out his drawers!
     
  13. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The .380 or 9mm Kurtz was carried for a long time by European military and police. Mostly with hard ball ammo. The Germans reset the mark with the 9mm Luger. The USA had the 1911 in 45 ACP but a lot of command officers were issued 380's. Until the later half of the 1900's the 32 was considered enough gun for self defense in the more civilized societies. The American West was an exception. The Olympic terrorists upped the ante and European police went to the 9mm Luger.
    I carried a Beretta 70S in 380 long before the "mouse guns" became popular. It was relatively compact and light enough for everyday concealment. It also saved my life. The guy that tried to carjack me almost took one in the head. I am sure it would have stopped him if he had not decided to run. One of the current "mouse guns" would have done the job fine. A 380 in the hand is worth more than a whole safe full of larger guns at home.
     
  14. dragunovsks

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    I carry a bersa thunder .380 when my i cant easily conceal my 1911, mostly in the summer. Im about 6' tall and about 180 lbs so concealing a government model 1911 can get a little uncomfortable. Dont get me wrong i also prefer to punch big holes rather than small ones but it really isnt an issue if you shoot for the head or through the heart.
     
  15. Chainfire

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    The choice to carry a small handgun comes, many times, from someone not wanting to make the extra effort to carry a larger and more lethal weapon. It can literally be a pain in the butt to carry a full size handgun; I know, I do it daily.

    If for whatever reason you decide you can't commit to carrying a full size firearm, the .380 beats nothing. If you don't think a small caliber handgun can be effective, research the death of Bobby Kennedy.

    I would think for 99.9% of the defensive needs a normal person would face, a .380 with proper defensive loads and proper training could get the job done. The main threat I expect, and prepare for, is a desperate drug addict that needs to finance his next poision of choice. These folks look for unarmed victims and would probably not give you too much of a problem after a round or two of .380 in the torso. I would not want engage a serious threat with a small caliber, or try to hold off the Dirty Dozen, but that is a heck of a long shot. (pardon the pun)

    Most of the police forces in Eastern Europe carried the 9 x 18, which for all practical purposes is the equal sister of the .380.

    The smaller calibers are a hold-out from the early 1900s when a wound, of any size, could prove fatal from infection if not from blood loss or vital organ damage. If poking a .25 caliber hole in your gutt could lead to a nasty, prolonged and painful death, you would try to be nice enough to not have someone want to shoot you.
     
  16. nccinstaller

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    I think the true pocket 380s are useful sd guns. I personally wont use one though cause my paws are just too big and cant shoot them very comfortable. So i choose to use a cw9 its just big enough that i can shoot it comfortably and hold nice tight groups. I personally dont really see much use for 380s for plinking though other than practing with your sd gun. For fun plinking i would rather shoot 9 quite a bit cheaper and more gun selection
     
  17. EagleSix

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    ...well, Richey, you DO know how to stir things up.....let me get in there with you for a while....

    I've never been much of a small gun guy, although I have owned a few. I've always felt John did a good enough job with the 1911, we really didn't need anything else. A few years back a student comes to class and has a backup, the Kel-Tec 380. It was new at the time and I made some teasing remarks about a "mouse" or "orifice" gun. He had brought a bunch of different loads for it, and at break he went down range to test it out. It fed everything he had without a hiccup! He finally managed to get me to shoot a few. This thing has just about no sights! Damn if it wasn't extremely accurate. About the worse trigger I had pressed in a long time, but it went bag every time, and it hit everything I pointed at (with the molded in sights, I'm not sure it classified as sighted fire). Since then I have fired probably 10-12 of them, and they all functioned and were accurate.

    I don't currently own a pocket pistol or revolver, in fact everything now days I carry is a 45 ACP. I still tease folks about their mouse and orifice guns. I understand your frustration to get this controversy started.....doesn't look like you are going to get too much support on this one.

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  18. USMC_Richey

    USMC_Richey New Member

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    Yeah I'm just starting to realize that. Whoowee! People have their hearts set on those little guys. Still not enough for me to go buy one. ;)
     
  19. EagleSix

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    .....how about one of those little Kel-Tec 380's as your backup for your backup? They are small, they are light, and they probably will compliment your tactical folder? Maybe my suggestion is flaming the fire!!! Maybe I've said enough!!! ......and you know I'm just kidding....

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  20. rigjumpr

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    I think I kind‘a understand the OP’s comments, the .380 as a first choice as a go to weapon. Disagree with the .380 being useless. If it’s good enough for James Bond well hell……….
    just say'n