The .222 Remington

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by cottontop, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    There is a great article in the current issue of Shooting Times about the .222 Remington. It is too bad that such a great little cartridge as the .222 has lost favor with rifle shooters. I really do love mine. It is extremely accurate, and it is accurate with just about any bullet (40, 50, and 55 grain) and powder combo I shoot through it. Can't say that for some of my other calibers. There are still lots of good used .222's around and even factory ammo is readily available for it. The .222 can do just about anything the .223 can do, but the .223 (with its short neck is inferior to the .222 IMO) became a military cartridge and the .222 did not. That has been the reason the .222 has become so unpopular while the .223 thrives. The .222 was the darling cartridge of the 1950's (it was introduced by Remington in 1950) and probably the most accurate bench rest round of its day.
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  2. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The .222 is a fine little cartridge, no doubt. IMHO, the .222 Magnum is even better. But neither will do anything that the .223 won't, so now we have one cartridge that replaces two.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The "triple duece" has a reputation as one of the most inherently accurate cartridges in history.
     
  4. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Agreed. But look at the rifles that chambered it. Mostly very accurate varmint rigs. They would have been very accurate with al;most any chambering.

    And there are many folks (myself included) who seriously question whether or not there is any such critter as an "inherently accurate" cartridge.
     
  5. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    I beg to differ. Many, many rifles chambered for the .222 were not "varmint" rigs. The .222 was chambered in some very inexpensive models. The Remington models 722 and 788, the Savage 340 were economy jobs that were/are extremely accurate when chambered in the .222. I have a 788 in .222 that is the classic "tack driver." Other standard light weight sporter rigs that were not classified as varmint models include the Sako, Remington 700, Winchester Model 70, Savage Model 110, and hundreds of European and Japanese "you name it" brands. All of these models were very accurate when in .222. I'm not sure if I completely agree w/ the inherently accurate moniker, but I can't rule it out. However, almost any cartridge in a good bolt or single shot action that is not necessarily a varmint rig can be made to be very accurate with handloads and a little tweaking.
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  6. gunnut07

    gunnut07 New Member

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    The 222 is by and far one of the best short range varmint rounds out there with the 22 hornet nipping at its heals.

    The 222 was chambered in just about anything that would take it. Some not so high quality guns. It is like Robo said one of the most accurate rounds ever created. That is why the 308 is almost that exact cartridge just blown up some. Take a look at them.

    The 222 Mag was meah and the 223 while accurate still not the triple deuce.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    The .222 is a classic that will still be around long after we are not, as long as we have shooters that appreciate the finer points. It really does not give anything up to the .223, and is far above the .22 Hornet. It is just plain sexy!
     
  8. gunnut07

    gunnut07 New Member

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    I prefer the hornet when I am devarminting an area with closer neighbors. If I am on my buddies 5k acre ranch banging away at varmints. Well then we use everything from 22lr to 300 RUM's.
     
  9. jpattersonnh

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    So how does this pertain to the .222? Sure the Hornet is quieter, but there is no point in your response. :confused:
     
  10. gunnut07

    gunnut07 New Member

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    Sure there is. But, judging by your avatar I understand why you are confused.
     
  11. Intheshop

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    Weighting the scale a bit twds the lazy side.......make it .223 for me.Make it a bolt,make it cheap,make it SS....make the stock plastic and a skinny brrl.So,I have a Savage 10 with their "markesman" styled,factory POS stock.Spraybombed the whole thing....clean it once in awhile.It will keep handloads in the bttm of a soda can @200.And theres a few others here as well.


    BUT......this is about the triple duece.

    Loaded at book max,with IMR4198....basic BR case prep..... sq base Sierra match 52 a "touch"(scientific measure) off lands/leade.Usta provide me with braggin groups regular enough to not call it anything but what it was........a perfect match of case,powder,bullet,and loading techniques.

    The gun holds many fine memories....but was sold.I prolly got the best of that rifle....well,I know I did.But the money was simply too much to resist.The rifle was a very early 722 with a Weaver straight 10x that had never been off the rifle.I did a very quick....gentle Accraglass bedding,and never looked back.5 shot groups in the "1's" were so common it wasn't funny.Best group recorded/witness'd was a single hole measuring .264" in diameter.It was shot right outside our shop....over a period of an hr or so.


    We had a bench setup for years right outside the shop.A buddy was over playing with his #1 Ruger's.I was in the shop working on something?Anyway to be social every time he'd do a target check.he'd call me out there and I'd cut the .222 loose.......then go back inside.Never checked a wind flag or in anyway the "conditions".Just go out every 15-20 minutes and shoot one round.Anyway he comes back inside an hr later and grabs a set of mics and measures it.

    You can say what you want about .223's.......but,if I wanted the whole pkg.Rifle/scope...blue steel and Walnut,leather bags,ect.I'd quit looking and snag a .222.
     
  12. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Because I have a pic of a pimp?? He'd sell anything for a buck. Not sure what you are looking at.
     
  13. gunnut07

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    There are many good 224 cal rounds out there. The 222 is just one of them that you either love it or you don't care.

    I use specific rifles and cartridges for specific jobs. I got plenty of varmint rifles to choose from so. Like I was saying If I am close enough for other to hear me I use a 22 hornet, If I need a little more power I pull out the L461 in 222, If I need a little more reach but, not enough to justify all the noise and power of my swift or 22-6mm I go with my 223. Shoot might even take my low wall in 219 D Wasp shooting 40gr V-Max bullets she is another long dead fine shooting rounds. If I want a challenge I pull out my Ruger 77/22 that has been blue printed and re-barreled into a 17 K Hornet well maybe not with .2" groups noting in range is much of a challenge with that little gem.
     
  14. WhelanLad

    WhelanLad New Member

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    My Sako A1 triple duece is very accurate an makes for a dandy little Fox gun!
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    personally i like the 222 and the 222 magnum. excellent cartridges. they do exactly what they were designed to do and do it well. flat, fast and accurate, very mild recoil and just plain fun to shoot all day long.
     
  16. greydog

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    I built BR rifles in both 222 and 223 and couldn't honestly say one was better than the other. In many respects I liked the 222 better (longer neck, less capacity) but the 223 shot as well.
    I recall that LE (Sam) Wilson shot a 223 in his unlimited rifle (this was in 1980). This rifle had previously been a 222 and he had rechambered it. I asked him if he thought one was better than the other and he said no.
    I still like the 222 and always have one around but the 223 has pretty well taken it's place and then some. GD