Temperance Thread

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Rentacop, Jul 25, 2014.

  1. Rentacop

    Rentacop New Member

    1,068
    0
    0
    With all the talk about drinking on this forum, I thought some balance might be afforded via a "non-drinking" thread .
    To start off, I read A Drinking Life by Pete Hamill years ago and liked it . I also read The Black Sheep Squadron and Baa Baa Black sheep, both about Pappy Boyington .
    Several Years ago, I read the acclaimed book, The Liar's Club by Mary Karr.
    She has since written two more memoirs that are not worth reading except as cautionary stories about alcohol and illegal drugs : Cherry and Lit .

    George Jones's I lived To Tell It All and Waylon Jennings's Waylon are autobiographies that warn about alcohol and drugs .

    And there's always the old best-selling " AA Big Book " Alcoholics Anonymous .
     
  2. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

    16,381
    224
    63
    You need to get some balance. How about a subscription to "Whiskey Advocate" magazine??:p:p
     

  3. AmPaTerry

    AmPaTerry Forum Chaplain Lifetime Supporter

    2,426
    70
    48
    I don't see alcohol as a sin -
    If it were, Christ would not have turned the water into wine at the wedding.
    But alcohol abuse is a serious problem, destroying careers, families and lives.

    I made the personal decision many years ago to stop drinking completely, and have not had a taste of anything for several decades.
    But for those that want a drink in a social situation, or a beer with their fish, I certainly do not condemn them.
    Lack of moderation is the real issue here.
     
  4. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

    5,250
    0
    0
    For many with a problem moderation is the issue. Kenny Chesney describes the problem well "One is one to many one more is never enough".

    For those addicts among us it is a personal problem not society's issue but I do feel for them and if anyone is looking for help, I would be there for them.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

    7
    1
    0
    some people have problems with moderation. whether it be alcohol, gambling, or actually anything for that matter. personally i see those people who get addicted to such things as having little or no willpower as to when to stop doing something. they allow something to consume everything around them. they allow it to destroy everything good in their lives.

    i have gambled before and actually enjoy doing it. love playing the slots and playing Blackjack. but i'm not addicted and can walk away at any moment. i set limits for myself. i will spend exactly a certain amount, and once i have lost that certain amount, i am done. i got to the point several times in the past where i enjoyed drinking too much. i stopped before it became a problem. i knew i had to set limits, or else would be a problem.

    i have seen others in the past who were alcoholics or had gambling problems and saw how they destroyed not only their own lives, but others around them. i knew i never wanted to be like that.
     
  6. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

    4,988
    40
    48
    I am sure someone will make something of this statement that it is not. It is not intended to put anyone down or imply anything about anyone. This is simply about me.

    I used to work for 2 Circus Circus Casino properties in Laughlin NV. I was always drinking and gambling. I was smoking 2 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day. I thought I was happy with my life. I called myself a Christian. But didn't really have a relationship with Jesus. When I met Tina, (my wife) I saw a different kind of person in her. I realized that my life was truly lacking. I went to church with her several times. And I started to see that I needed that relationship. I look back now and realize that my life was actually in turmoil. But I didn't see it then. One Sunday I was at the church we were visiting. I broke down and asked God to truly change me life. He did. Almost immediately. I lost all desire to smoke. I haven't been to a bar in almost 19 years. I don't remember the last time I was drunk. I still drink a beer once in a while. I have no problem with other people that drink, as long as they don't over do it and try to get me involved. I have to go to Las Vegas every summer for a convention for my business. I have no desire to gamble. I used to be addicted. I used to drink like crazy while I gambled. I would never drink and drive. So I always took a cab to the casino if I was on my own time. I would bring the amount of money I felt I could afford to lose plus cab fare. I can't tell you how many times I walked home in the rain because I lost my cab fair too. That is a real addition. Now I just don't care. I'm not interested. I don't care about alcohol either, or cigarettes. I am not saying that I am not tempted by sin. I am. But not the sin's that I once lived for.

    Again, this is my personal testimony. This is not a slam of anyone on here. If you have a drinking problem or a gambling problem...I get it. I know how it feels.
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2014
  7. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

    12,818
    120
    63
  8. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

    16,381
    224
    63
    Like all other pleasures available, moderation is the key.

    I've known functioning alcoholics that never missed a day of work due to alcohol, never drove a vehicle while impaired, and were basically solid, hard working taxpaying citizens.

    BUT

    When they got home in the evening, they drank until they passed out. alcohol was what they lived for.

    I've known people that had the same obsession with sports. They wouldn't read anything in the newspaper or magazines but the sports page. If anyone wanted to have a conversation with them, you had to talk sports. They had no interest in anything else in life.

    Others are the same way about sex. All reading material in their apartment is porn. whenever they see a woman, they comment about how they wonder how she would be in bed.

    In reality, these are all pretty much the same problem. Escape from reality. Escape from life actually. Fixation on one single thing to prevent reality from intruding on their mind.
     
  9. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

    5,028
    72
    48
    Unlike MANY drugs ETOH has a positive use/effect on health. Study after study has show a 'daily' drink or beer is good for most peoples general health. :cool:
    As a matter of fact I highly recommend it as a fitness professional.:)
    It has been shown that one (160 lbs and under) and no more than two (160+ lbs) drinks/beers in the evening as we are winding down is a good thing. Needless to say this does not apply to those with other wealth concerns which are aggravated by ETOH.
    BUT I tell people you can't 'save' them up and wait until the end of the month and play catch-up!:eek:
    If you are one of the people who, for whatever reason/excuse sighted, can't stop at one then this does not apply.;)
    I came back from RVN the first time with a BAD ETOH problem. I swore off for 6 month ( the first week or two was HARD AS HELL) and now I can take it or leave it.:)
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2014
  10. jakebrake

    jakebrake New Member

    664
    0
    0
    haven't drank in over 7 years. i'm much better off that way.
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

    7
    1
    0
    to drink or not to drink is a personal choice. personally, i very seldom drink anymore, simply our of personal choice not to anymore. i do occasionally have a couple of beers or a mixed drink, but it seems to be further apart between times i do anymore.
     
  12. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

    11,822
    455
    83
    Ooooouuuch !

    I ha ve a neighbor that comes up every summer and brings his kids with them .
    They are fascinated by my toys . Swords , machines , etc. They are stopping by every day .
    I talked to him , explained to him to him the dangers ! I lost the tip of my left thumb to the bone . I turned my back 2 second and she had my sharpest Katana I own !

    I told to carefully lay it in my hand . I expected too much ! The whole tip I
    Is gone to the bone ! She freaked and went screaming home . I stopped over later to let them know I was all but not aloud in my shop without myl dip say so

    That was very stupid of me. Two months and I,ll be ok ! Good think i don't bring my guns out there
    ,
    ,, mp
     
  13. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

    12,358
    26
    48
    A little alcohol is okay, but when used in excess.....

    There are more alcohol related arrests than firearms arrests.
     
  14. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

    3,418
    56
    48
    There are alcohol issues in both my wife's and my family. As such I have watched it with a wary eye for many years. I drink. I drink beer, wine and the occasional good scotch. I just moderate how much. I also periodically stop drinking for a while. Stopped for a full year about five years ago, and never have a problem doing so. I am not concerned that I am an alcoholic, but still keep that wary eye peeled for it to come after me.

    Now I am considering quitting again. It will leave me more money for ammo to shoot!
     
  15. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

    5,250
    0
    0
    Nothing will help make sure you dont over do it better than acquiring a taste for the good stuff. Its to pricey to abuse.
     
  16. JimRau

    JimRau Well-Known Member Supporter

    5,028
    72
    48
    I DON'T DRINK ANY MORE!:eek: But I don't drink any less either.;)
     
  17. LikeABoss

    LikeABoss Member Lifetime Supporter

    818
    0
    16
    Pass the tequila <burrrp>
     
  18. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

    12,818
    120
    63
    Sheesh, I've heard of someone being all thumbs but you really take the cake! :p
    Has there ever been a time when you weren't healing?
     
  19. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

    8,039
    0
    0
    I seldom imbibe anymore. I watched my uncle, a decorated LE veteran, blow 15 years of Sobriety in one night. It took his life. He burnt himself over 85% of his body? GD mercifully took him 8 days later. I tried to help 2 friends. One threw a Brick at my Mom across a crowded street. I put a newspaper weight through the top of his Teeth. The other I no longer associate with. He's the Reason I'm mostly out of the sports media business. Addicts blame everyone else for their problems. It was my fault that he wasn't successful. Everyone he conned into believing that I was running it into the ground now wants me to"come back"
    I hope each one of them chokes on it. My only issue is I have problems "letting go" of anger when people I trusted or treated like Family burn me,...that's why I have had a few $100's worth of beverages in my house for 2+ years,....for company.... ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1406601947.021184.jpg
    Besides,..who needs booze when you can look at this all day,....


    Sent from my iPad using Firearms Talk
     
  20. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Active Member

    3,284
    22
    38
    why I don't drink

    The reason I dont drink?

    Women.
    the first was Momma Rex scolding me for foolishly buying 24 pack beer as a 21yro.

    the second was the ex-strife, the only person Ive ever heard of getting a 3rd dwi for the second time.