Taurus Judge For CCW & Home Defense?

Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by WannaGator, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. WannaGator

    WannaGator New Member

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    I own an EAA 2" Snubby Windicator .357 Mag/.38 Spec already and am in the middle of purchasing a Taurus Duo-Tone Alloy Framed PT-1911 .45 ACP but have been considering a Taurus Judge .45LC/.410 with a 2" or 3" Barrel.

    I have seen Self Defense loads in .410 that fire 4 OOO Buck, 3 metal discs, and the old .410 "Deer Slugs".

    I hear with the short barrel that .45LC bullets don't perform well.

    Are these .410 shells viable options in this platform?

    Any recommendations?
     
  2. tsweep

    tsweep New Member

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    When using .410 shot shells doesn't the pistol become a short barrel shotgun? The states have different rules for it but it could be an issue with CCW. As for home defense I don't see why not.
     

  3. WannaGator

    WannaGator New Member

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    I hear Taurus got around the ATF's Short Barreled Shotgun hurdle by rifling the 3" barrel.
     
  4. hogrider

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    The Taurus Judge is no shotgun period then end. It just happens to be able to shoot .410's. The verdict is highly debatable as to HD. I have one and use it for snakes only. Maybe a coyote if one gets close enough. That's all.
     
  5. jwphillips2

    jwphillips2 New Member

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    .410

    Mercerized sewing thread will sew pellets together for an interesting pattern. This was an old poachers trick.

    If you want to keep the shot in a tight pattern, open up the front of the shell and tap down corn starch into the pellets. They come out very tightly.

    Don't try this at home. It's just a rumor. Really.
     
  6. dutchmaster

    dutchmaster New Member

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    Same results with a few drops of 3in1 oil down the barrel. Used to be an old trick back home at local Turkey Shoots...;)
     
  7. mesinge2

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    Or you could just buy the Federal 410 load made for the Judge.

    My review of their ammo from April 2010:
    I purchased a Taurus Judge when they first came out. I was impressed with the 45LC ammo but the OOO buckshot (the reason I bought it) was painfully inaccurate. The following is 5 subsequent shots with Winchester Super-X .410 Bore 2 1/2" OOO Buck with 3 pellets from the 2.5" Chamber Judge with 3" Barrel at 14 yards.

    [​IMG]

    Pathetic Right!

    I was throughly disappointed and ready to sell the gun. Then I heard of this new ammo for the Judge, actually made for it. Federal Premium Personal Defense .410 Handgun 2 1/2" OOO Buckshot with 4 pellets. This is the same gun and the same range (14 yards).

    [​IMG]



    Amazing improvement. I think the trick is that the pellets of the Federal are contained within the wad therefore clustering the shot.


    With these velocities and the 71 grain ball weight it is like four 36 percussion balls hitting in a space of 2.5 inches.
     
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  8. General_lee

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    There are many people that will bash on the Judge. I'm not going to bash on it, but I will say you will have a hard time concealing such a big gun. The most practical use I can think of for the Judge is as a truck/snake gun.
     
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  9. ninjatoth

    ninjatoth New Member

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    Correct,as long as it's rifled and not designed specifically for a shotshell it's not considered a shotgun.
     
  10. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    As for an actual, viable defense gun...meh.

    The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing

    They tested the .410 loads there. Pretty telling, imo.

    If the Winchester loads perform that well consistantly, I say it would be effective for HD.
     
  11. Pastense

    Pastense New Member

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    Not for home defense

    I simply believe .410 to be inadequate when it comes to home protection. I do not speak for others but as for myself home defense is the single most important and unforgiving decision that one can make when purchasing a weapon. Shotgun....pistol which to go with. That is as old a debate as the two types of firearms themselves. I personally chose pistol however, I shoot OFTEN. And as any avid shootist will tell you...training training training is the only way to be truly capable in a terrifying situation. If you find yourself there then you either A. Be proficient or B. Have a really big damn weapon that can penetrate with scatter. A shotgun is capable however the .410 flavor simply lacks any real "punch".

    GOD bless, good luck and be safe.
     
  12. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    After watching hickok45's review of the judge on youtube, I know I wouldn't want one now.
    It's pretty much only effective at 3 yards and closer with the .410:eek:
     
  13. Dashell

    Dashell New Member

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    Judge

    I bought and I like!

    My only purpose for the gun is SD. The gun is big and heavy and in no way practicle for CC (at least for me) I live in N. Idaho and some use it as grouse gun. At the range the 45 LC was very accurate and the stock grips help alot. In most 410 cals it's fine. When you however use the Winchester PDX1 ammo it's another ballgame. Most self defense shoots tend to be short range. This ammo is three disks followed by 12 bbs. Try it on a stump at 10ft and your jaw will drop.

    In the night,from a deep sleep, startled by noise, you only have to point in the general direction to raise hell. Plus the stuff you send downrange runs out of gas fairly soon.

    In a SD situation I want to cancel the threat not hurt the kid next door.
    1st Tarus I have ever bought and happy w/my choice!

    As a side note

    I have a CCP and am very serious about thinking and training.

    If you want to carry please shoot whenever you can. Learn all you can! Take classes, read books!

    We as a group need to be there when the next columbine/Virg tech/ Gabby Giffords thing happens.

    Thanks all,
    Dash