Talk Me Out Of It...or into it

Discussion in 'Heckler & Koch Forum' started by HumboldtBrewer, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. HumboldtBrewer

    HumboldtBrewer New Member

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    I have a USP 40 that I am considering selling. I bought it 9 years ago for a home defense gun, but I have not shot it much due to high price of ammo. I just bought a Glock 9mm to use as home defense gun. The reason for that is the ammo is cheaper and I can go to the range more often, also fits my hand better since I have medium sized hands.

    I do like the USP, but if its just gonna get shot once in a while, what is the reason for me to keep it (i.e. market is bad, HK is going under soon so price goes up, etc)?

    Thanks


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  2. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Not having to use a home defense gun is a good thing. But yes, if you need the money for other things then why not. With modern 9mm rounds, some say they are as good as a 40. I prefer more weight over speed.
     

  3. Jagermeister

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    I have a USP .40. I use the P226 (9mm) for home defense though. The .40 is for the woods. .40 for piggies and 9mm for long pork.
     
  4. Argyle_Armoring

    Argyle_Armoring New Member

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    I've been in law enforcement for 8 years, I've carried all the calibers on duty, and I own my own gun shop. I have heard the caliber debate for so long I feel like the dead horse. Let's just say, I carry a 9mm.
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Sell it. Use the funds to buy more ammo for your new *gag* GLOCK.

    If you're like me, which means you're not a collector (as much as I wish I was), and you only really keep a gun for occasional range fun and self/home protection, then an unused gun is... useless. And it doesn't sound as if it has any sentimental value. Why keep a gun around that you're not attached to and not shooting?

    Sell it. Get a small pile of 9 mil, and go get in some range time.
     
  6. Pasquanel

    Pasquanel Proud to be an American Supporter

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    So why not .45?
     
  7. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Because the CZ's I held and bought fit my hand better, where as a 45 type 1911 feels like a 2x4 in my hand. They didn't offer a 45 at any of the LGS's around my area. :p
     
  8. HumboldtBrewer

    HumboldtBrewer New Member

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    Yes definitely not a hand gun collector, but I do like acquiring new hunting guns, and really those are the ones I don't sell, but I can also see the fun in getting more handguns, but I think I'll sell the HK and buy ammo and down the road buy a .45.
    It's sucks that I'll be leaving the H&K club though


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  9. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    You can also very easily justify only shooting a hunting gun on occasions. They're not really intended for day in/day out range sessions once a week, so no biggie. Having a hunting rifle that only sees occasional range trips and hunting trips is no different than having a really collectible car as a Sunday driver. It's kinda expected.

    And.. Doesn't HK make some rifles suitable for hunting? There ya go...
     
  10. Gonzilla

    Gonzilla New Member

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    Home Defense: - 45 ca. As for ammo price & availability - you can reload. Some people even like it.

    Handgun Hunting: - 10mm is effective for WC defense but to be honest, the 44 Mag, in a well balanced revolver, is a thing of beauty. Kinda pricey right now if you don't reload.
     
  11. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    For what you can get for an H&K in excellent shape, you could sell it and buy a very decent AR-15. Just sayin'.
     
  12. Mercator

    Mercator Active Member

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    Sell it, and don't look back. HK is not going anywhere, and will be there next time you want "something else" :D
     
  13. ca1survivor

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    .223 ammo will be too expensive for him to shoot too. To the OP the .40 is a $1.00 or $1.25 per 50 more expensive than the 9mm to justify loosing money in an excellent gun you have in the USP, the .40 is my most used round BTW, I was going to add I don't trust the 9mm for SD, but don't want to start a war. LOL
     
  14. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you don't already own the following items, sell your HK pistol and obtain these:

    1. weapon light and handheld flashlight
    2. holster that accommodates a pistol with a weapon light
    3. night sights
    4. spare magazines (I prefer to have 5 or 6 per firearm)
    5. spare parts (firing pin, springs, screws for the front sight, trigger and locking block pins, armorer's tool)
    6. If you still have money left, buy ammo

    All pistols should be reliable and durable, and my Glock has never given me any problems, but some having spare parts and magazines means your pistol won't become an overpriced paper weight if no gunsmith is available to fix whatever happens to break.
     
  15. Dallas53

    Dallas53 Well-Known Member

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    i know this is an older thread, but just read this comment.

    why not the 9mm for self defense?

    care to clarify your reasoning?

    especially when ballistics testing show almost identical performance between most cartridges used for self defense.

    i am really curious as to what you base your opinion of such off of. are you privy to information the rest of us aren't?
     
  16. ca1survivor

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    yes, I don't trust the 9mm for SD, is my personal choice, a 9mm might expand in
    ballistic testing, which I consider BS but a .40 or .45 won't shrink plus the .40s and .45s have heavier bullet, you choose as you like.
     
  17. Dallas53

    Dallas53 Well-Known Member

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    you might want to study ballistics and human anatomy for starters. also know that bullet and ammunition manufacturers spend a lot of money on research and development of bullet construction for them to perform in satisfactory manner.

    there is no "might" expand in ballistic testing. they have been pulled from human and animal bodies to know they expand. it's not BS, it's fact. Google 9mm self defense bullets on the internet for pictures.

    there are only two ways a bullet can instantly stop a man. either by rapid and massive blood loss, or a hit to the central nervous system. and thinking a 40 or a 45 are a guarantee over that of a 9mm is purely delusional on your part. but go ahead and believe whatever makes you happy.
     
  18. hmh

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    Denim, thick clothing, sheet metal, and numerous other materials have been known to stop up a hp. With a .45 it will never shrink down to 9mm and if a 9mm doesn't expand it will most likely go straight through the perp. Where a .45 will also most likely go straight through but it will transfer more energy to the target and create a bigger wound channel ie more chances of hitting a vital and more blood loss.
     
  19. Dallas53

    Dallas53 Well-Known Member

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    again, study up on ballistics and human anatomy.

    there is not that huge a difference in the diameters between a 9mm vs. a 40 caliber or a 45 caliber. take out a pair of dial calipers and measure them. .045" between a 9mm and a 40 caliber. and .096" between a 9mm and a 45 caliber. measure those differences with a dial caliper. it will pretty much destroy your misconceptions about bigger is always better.

    and i have studied the difference between them on various materials. i know what they will do. there isn't as big a difference as you are thinking there is.

    you know what makes the difference? shot placement! how do you get good shot placement? you practice?

    i have no idea as to where you two are getting your information, but it's pure BS.

    and BTW, i own all of these calibers, so i'm not invested with one caliber over another. i have learned to shoot whatever pistol i have, regardless of the caliber, and am not going to rely upon some myth that a bigger bullet is better. IOW's, i practice shooting and base my opinions on what i have seen.
     
  20. SSGN_Doc

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    Then add that human tissue is largely elastic. I've seen gunshot wounds on humans from 9mm, .38, .22, .25, .45. without recovering the projectiles or the victims of the .45 shots knowing what diameter they shot themselves with, (Yes, two of the three .45 wound recipients were form self inflicted NDs.), the diameter would have been unknown on the 9mm, .38 and .45. Similarly the victims from the .25 and .22 also had no discernible difference in the actual wound diameters.

    One of the patient's shot with a .38 was the worst off but he caught 5 out of 6 rounds fired at him. One nicked his femoral artery, and two others hit his liver, on more was superficial in the thigh, and the last one went through his hand and forearm. The other .38 victim was hit in the buttocks.

    The two self inflicted .45 hits were both received in almost the exact same way. Both were preparing to clean their 1911's, dropped the mag pointed the pistol downward while sitting to rack the slide and pulled the trigger while getting ready to push the slide back. both were hit in the lower leg. both managed to thread the bullet between the tibia and the fibula. Both walked to the phone and called ambulances. One shot himself with a FMJ the other with a Golden Saber. Neither projectile was present when they arrived at the clinic. Both looked like someone shoved a pencil through their leg. Neither suffered any permanent disability and were both back to full duty after 4 weeks. these were two years apart from each other but both were so freakishly similar that they are burned into my memory.

    The other victim of a .45 hit was struck in the abdomen, but the vena cava, ascending aorta, kidneys, and liver were all missed. Some bowel resection and the patient recovered.

    The 9mm victim was hit twice. Once in the pelvic girdle with the bullet entering the iliac crest of the right hip, traversing across the width of the pelvic girdle and embedded in the femoral head of the left femur. The other round entered the right side near the lower portion of the rib cage, hit his liver, then the descending aorta and left kidney. Patient did not survive.


    The .25 victim took two hits. One to the upper chest and one to the left shoulder. Only one bullet was recovered, the other passed through. The subclavian nerve was damaged, and the patient had some permanent numbness in his left arm.

    The .22 victim was hit 4 times in the posterior of the neck He ended up with some nerve damage but the major arteries and spine were missed.

    Do I think the 9mm is magical because it is the only one that killed any of the gunshot victims I've seen? Nope. It all is well explained by the anatomical structures that were hit or missed in each case. A .40 or .45 striking the same structures would have likely caused the same end result. Just like a 9mm threading past the same structures that the .45 rounds missed would have likely had a similar result.

    I tend to be concerned more about adequate penetration. Seeing that bullet can go the distance to reach vital organs or blood vessels from odd angles and with bone interference gives me better confidence. Also knowing that I can get more accurate and faster follow ups in less time makes me feel better than 1/100th of an inch in diameter.