Talk me in or out of a mosin nagant

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by noahlanier9, Oct 5, 2013.

  1. noahlanier9

    noahlanier9 New Member

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    Local shops have them from $89-120. I just recently came across them and my impulse buyer personality is kicking in. I've read or about the gun and the history behind it and even looked up Russian surplus 7.62x54 ammo and 425 rounds for $90 doesn't sound all to bad and to my understanding the round it pretty close to a 30-06 or 308. So help me out, talk me in or out of this gun please. Good things, bad things anything to help me make up my mind
     
  2. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    I had one many moons ago, a shorter 'carbine' version. I took it straight to a gunsmith and had the straight bolt turned into a turned bolt and had it drilled and tapped for scope mounts. Mounted a cheap 3x9 on it and bought some ammo. It actually shot very well, grouping around an inch at 100 yards. It kicked like a mule though, so I put on a limbsaver recoil pad. Was going to hunt with it, then something else caught my eye and I traded it off. I have been thinking about buying another one just for the cheap ammo.
     

  3. sbeezy

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    I bought mine back in June and I've only shot it once. It's a cool rifle to have and still really affordable but as stated it kicks like a mule. I don't have a recoil pad on mine yet but I'd highly suggest it. I don't know how much they help but I do know that you should expect a sore shoulder for sure without one. I bought mine for the cheap ammo thinking I'd be able to shoot it a lot but i am inexperienced with old high caliber rifles so I didn't really know what I was getting into.

    To me, it's not a plinking rifle even though the ammo is cheap, but if you have experience with rifles like that and don't mind the recoil I'd say go ahead. If you don't like it you're not out that much money and it's nice to have one in the collection. Just my opinion, which isn't worth a ton. There are a lot of people who love mosins and own multiples.
     
  4. Mercator

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    I'll take the thankless job of talking you out of it. The Mosin is not an exceptional firearm. It is about military history, re-enactment, and DIY projects. Its practical accuracy is good, but nothing special that a $300 modern hunting rifle won't do. It possesses a heavy kick in spite of its heavy weight. The carbines are especially loud. You will need to double up your hearing protection, or risk an insidious hearing loss over time. That means ear plugs and the muffs, always, which takes some fun out of shooting on a warm day. The trigger pull is gritty. The sights are typically off out of the crate, and may need work. The bore is often dull and dark, although shootable. Some of the Mosins are collectible, others will become, sooner or later. For anything near practical, there are better choices.

    If that doesn't convince you... Go get it.
     
  5. DrumJunkie

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    If you don't have one then you obviously need one. If you do have one then you already know the joys so you need another.:D

    -Fun to shoot
    -They are really cheap to buy
    -Ammo is inexpensive compared to other center fire rifles.
    -You can play Enemy at the Gates on DVD while cleaning it.
    And most importantly.....

    If you don't get one a puppy will die and it will get out that you touch yourself at night while watching reruns of Gilligans Island. And NOT because of Ginger or Mary Anne :eek:

    I'll be looking forward to the pics of your new rifle...
     
  6. dteed4094

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    The excessive recoil is mostly a myth as is the loud report. both are comparable to other 30 calibers. 1 MOA is not to be expected but is rare. They are easy to work on and very reliable and durable. Bore is usually dark but strong. Some have been counter bored due to muzzle wear because of the steel cleaning rod. They are fun and inexpensive to shoot. Most of the milsurp ammo is corrosive and requires hot water flush then normal cleaning soon after shooting. They usually come with accessories. The price you mentioned is a good price, If I found them for under $100 I would buy as many as my wallet would allow, providing they are in half decent condition. You can probably double your investment in a short time. Bore condition is a priority when picking them. If you don't mind me asking; where did you find them at that price. If you do get one and don't like it you can easily find someone that will. Do some research before you decide to get rid of it. Most problems are easily solved. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a case of them if I had the money. Not a good purchase if you don't want to do some cleaning and tweaking. If recoil scares you, go with something in a smaller caliber but I have a Bum shoulder and I can shoot 100 rounds with no adverse effects. Most people think the Mosins have a lot of recoil because someone has told them it does. Wear ear protection and the recoil is negligible. Buy at least one and have a ball!
     
  7. John_Deer

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    My advice is to buy a 91/30 locally even if you have to pay a little more. I went through several cases of rifles before I found one to suit me. Most of the rifles I looked at would function but I wanted a rifle I would be comfortable hunting with. You can find 203 gr SP ammo for hunting around 70 cents a round. The russians rifled the 91/30 to shoot 200 +gr bullets. The light ball ammo is for suppression fire not accuracy.

    The 91/30 is designed to be sighted in with the bayonet in place. You can use a heat shrink and a piece of wire to raise the front sight. There is a lot of metal to sand down on the rear sight ramp for fine tuning.

    Avoid smith sights. I tried to get a sight from them. He kept saying he would mail a sight tomorrow that never arrived. I ended up filing a dispute with paypal. Paypal gives you 45 days to file a dispute from the day you place the order. I disputed the payment on day 43. After I disputed the payment he sent a nasty email saying don't place another order with him. I am good with that!
     
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  8. duddie10

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    Had mine for a few years now. Is a fun gun to shoot. Had to mess witg the front sight alittle but after that hitting coke can at 100yds.
     
  9. magnumman

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    Mosins are one of the best deals in firearms. They may be crude but they work. I paid 140 for mine but got the pick of the litter out of 3 creates. Got at '31 hex receiver. It will shatter clay pigeons at 100 yards all day long. The corrosive ammo isnt an issue if you follow a strict cleaning process.
     
  10. thdrduck

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    Payed $69 for mine. Got a scope kit and had to drill and tap the receiver and bolt and mounted a inexpensive Barska scope on it. Off a rest it will shoot MOA (the only one I have seen that will) with Winchester ammo, not surplus. Installed a Timney trigger and put a recoil pad on it after refinishing the stock. Now I have about $200 in a rifle I could easily sell for $150. One positive feature is that it is heavy so if you use it for hunting it will ensure you don't wander too far from camp and if you do take a shot... everyone within a mile or so will know it was you.
     
  11. jeepnjonny

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    Just buy one. I found a bunch of beautiful "nonissued" 91/30s in Utah I'm hoping to get 1 or 2 of them Come next pay check if they have any left.
    It's like having a new gmc truck really nice and comfortable. But when you jump into the old 76 ford you know you are driving a TRUCK that will do anything ad get the job done. The Mosin is a freaking gun that will do about anything and you won't get mad if it gets banged around either.
     
  12. Mercator

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    Both are real. Nobody says recoil is excessive. The kick feels heavier than the physical recoil because of the steel buttpad. The bang, especially from a carbine, does get better as your hearing gets worse.
    You may like hot water but it is not required. AS long as the the rifle is cleaned at the end of the day.
    That's a long shot, no pun intended. A commonly sold Mosin is not an short term investment tool.
     
  13. jeepnjonny

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    I guess what I'm trying to say is if you want a truck that feels and drives like a truck run the old ford. If you want a gun that shoots and feels like a "real" gun get a Mosin
    They both are just a little more raw and unbridled.
    Just my opinion and experience.
     
  14. JonM

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    The only time my mosins dnt shoot right at 1inch at 100 is using milsurp machine gun ammo that is oh so common and corrosive.

    The brown bear 200 grain non corrisive new manufacture steel case is about 1.5 to 2 inch and the 180 grain winchester white box runs right at 1 inch. Out of my mosin sniper best group to date with winchester white is .4 inches for 3 shots.

    These gins match and sometimes exceed anything produced today when using good ammunition. The only drawback is the very limited availability of .311 bullets for reloading in the 180-200 grain range.

    The surplus ammo is pretty weak much less than a 308 new manufactured stuff like brown silver gold bear and especially winchester edges the 30-06 in power.
     
  15. Mercator

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    That's fair. It has a lot going for it. I owned one too. Just volunteered to do the "cons" as I figured everyone else will get the "pros" covered.
     
  16. ctshooter

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    Everyone needs a mosin!! I think it is written somewhere. Try and find a hex receiver model.

    Again you must have one!! It's just one of those things.
     
  17. noahlanier9

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    I appreciate all the feedback. As far as the recoil goes that doesn't worry me, I've never had a issue with recoil and can't imagine it can be a whole lot worse than the 30-06. I do realize it is not a new firearm and I don't 100% expect it to shoot like one. The old truck comparison is perfect, and that is exactly what I needed to hear.

    Im officially on the hunt for one. While a lot o local shops have them is there anything I should look for and anything I should avoid? And what is the difference in the hex receiver model?
     
  18. Mercator

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    The hexagonal receivers were replaced with the round receivers in the 1920's. A hex receiver is native to, or was recycled from an older rifle. There is nothing else to it.

    Look in the bore. You want crisp rifling and minimal dullness,no pitting. The rifles are priced accordingly. Your best chance for an excellent bore is with the M44 carbines, most of which were manufactured after WW2 and many remained unissued. The Mosins are very sturdy, and most likely the very first one you grab will be rock solid. Stock color and the amount of grease don't reflect the true condition. You want an intact buttplate and other metal trim. The ladder rear sight should be functional 100%, and the front post staight no cant.

    If you are going for a Mosin, get a Soviet made one. Finn refurbs cost more. Don't spend on Chinese stuff, but this is only an opinion.

    Edit. Forgot the trigger. Don't expect much, just a clean break.
     
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  19. jackrich3

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    Maybe 15 to 20 years ago, I would say go for it, 'cause they're cool and full of history. But at this time, I would recommend practicality, like buying something where ammo would be readily available from 'different' sources, such as 308 or 7.62x39, or 223. I'd love to stock up on 41 mag, but practicality says 5.56 instead.
     
  20. sbeezy

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    I might just be a pu**y but excessive recoil is not a myth. Maybe you're built like an Ox and can stand it but i put 20 through mine and had a big *** bruise for a week. I was shooting rested which I understand is worse but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of recoil, because there is.