[AR10]

How Many People are Taking A Couple Inches Off Their Barrels To Get A Tax Stamp To Avoid The Gun Ban?

A local news show did a story on a machine shop that was converting any rifle to a short barreled riffle in compliance with the class 3 laws, to get around a possible gun ban. The owner quit his other full time job because he has so many orders for business he could not keep up at part time. He is also opening another custom shop in another town.

Is this a good idea, to buy the tax stamps to beat the feds at their own game?

I already have a 14.5" barrel on an AR with a soldered on long flash hider. A regular flash hider would be an easy upgrade to class 3 if I did the paperwork first and paid the ransom of $200.

 

[potentialglock]

How does this keep it off the list for a gun ban?

 

[blindshooter]

That's very interesting. I would like a little more info on that too.

 

[CA357]

It seems like that would be out of the frying pan into the fire to me.

 

[TNFrank]

It seems like that would be out of the frying pan into the fire to me.

Ditto, you have to apply for and receive the Tax Stamp FIRST before you do any modifications to the gun. Also, to get this stamp you have to jump through a bunch of hoops like asking permission of the Chief Law Enforcement Agent of your area, send in a Finger Print Card to the ATF and summit to a background check along with paying your $200.
This is basically all the crazy stuff that they want to make law for ownership of what are now legal semi-autos that only currently require a Form 4473 and Brady Check so why do their job for em'. Wait for it to happen before you volunteer to do it.

 

[Vikingdad]

Wouldn't you be better off if you lost your guns in some sort of boating accident at sea and report them lost? Personally I would rather have to report my guns lost (not stolen) than to have to jump through all of those hoops and register the gun, have to pay the tax stamp, and then the mothereffing Feds come and confiscate them down the road anyhow. That would suck.

















Whats this? My AR wasn't lost at sea it was just misplaced in the back of my sock drawer? Now how on Earth did I miss it there!

 

[John_Deer]

A good one is you leaned the camo AR-15 against a tree to free a hand to relieve yourself. You got caught up in nature. 10 minutes later you could not find your gun. They don't have to know the tree is in the back yard.

 

[Vikingdad]

Currently there is no law requiring that you record the serial numbers and descriptions of the firearms you lose- so as long as you do not try to collect an insurance claim on firearms that may later be found, there is no harm no foul that I can see.

 

[John_Deer]

I wonder how many firearms were reported as lost when the Canadians tried to register all guns? Not to mention the rural sheriffs departments that did not have the manpower to keep up a registry.

 

[msup752]

MI requires lost guns to be reported. The serial numbers are entered in NCIC so if they are checked, it will show the firearm lost.

 

[Vikingdad]

MI requires lost guns to be reported. The serial numbers are entered in NCIC so if they are checked, it will show the firearm lost.

So is there a requirement that you keep records of all serial numbers of all firearms? What if you did not record the serial number and lost it? And if the gun turns up will it be returned to you if you did report it lost with the SN?

 

[KG7IL]

My biggest problem is I forgot where I hid my guns..... memory is fleeting... ah... I think.... No... guess not. hmmm

 

[Tracker_7]

Just out of curiosity, the original start of the thread mentioned a machine shop turning out conversions to avoid legality problems.... However, no mention was made on if the owner of the machine shop had the "proper" credentials to convert a firearm? Generally anyone can work on their own firearm, however I thought one had to have an FFL to work on or convert someone else's weapon.

 

[AR10]

He is in compliance with the laws for doing the type of gunsmithing he does.

 

[MisterMcCool]

Just out of curiosity, the original start of the thread mentioned a machine shop turning out conversions to avoid legality problems.... However, no mention was made on if the owner of the machine shop had the "proper" credentials to convert a firearm? Generally anyone can work on their own firearm, however I thought one had to have an FFL to work on or convert someone else's weapon.

I'm not sure. He is only modifying the barrel or upper receiver. If he does not accept possession of the lower receiver, he has not handled a firearm. It would be the consumer marrying the lower to a short barreled upper who is "making" the SBR.

 

[patyancey]

that's how alot of folks got AR-15's from 94' to 04' NFA item's don't fall under the same rules, I bought two suppressors, an SBR and micro uzi(full auto) during the last ban... but I could'nt buy an AR-15 with a 20" barrel... Our Government... go figure like the 14.5" benelli M4 semi auto.. you can't buy one from the store. but I can buy it from my class 3 dealer, pay for it + $35 FFL transfer fee and let him keep it till my tax stamp arrives (about 6 months right now)