Tactical SHTF Weapon

Discussion in 'DIY Projects' started by TrangTuan, Jul 27, 2013.

  1. TrangTuan

    TrangTuan New Member

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    Hey Folks,

    My current project that i'm working on is kinda cool/stupid to some people, but let me know what you think.


    Primary Weapon:
    Weapon: Remington 700 SPS .308.
    Attachment: MDT TAC-21 Black Chassic.
    Foldable Bipod, Foldable Grip, UTG Flashlight and Laser(Green)
    Rear Flip up Magpul Sight and Front Magpul Flip up Sight
    Rex 3x9x40 Scope
    Regular M4 Buttstock(For now).

    Why is this setup? I think this setup by far on my opinion is the best for me.

    When in a SHTF Senario, if you're enemy is far away, you can use the rifle as long range rifle with the scope on to take down the enemy.

    When in a close range Senario, Take off the scope and use the front/rear flip up sight for close combat.

    The caliber itself are good for taking down target, Yes... it gonna be alot of recoil and slow, but you can always switch out your secondary weapon.. Handgun.

    Let me know what you think.
     
  2. FullautoUSA

    FullautoUSA Welcoming Committee/ Resident Pellet Gunner Lifetime Supporter

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    You know what's best for you, but, of all things wouldn't a 10/22 be the best, or an AR with both a 22 lr and a 223 upper? I don't think that a 700 is a bad idea, I just don't think it's the best, personally.
     

  3. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    My only comment is, rather than taking off the scope for close quarters, which can be time consuming and not very practical (you never know when you're going to need to try a longe range shot), have you thought about side mounted iron sights at all? Best of both worlds, IMO.

    Something like this (not my picture, found in a Google search):

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  4. TrangTuan

    TrangTuan New Member

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    Well for a SHTF Senario, I don't think a 10/22 is effective, even if i start out shooting i always start out with big caliber. Since im a millitary person, i don't like .22 caliber to be honest with you.
     
  5. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    How do you feel about 5.56 caliber?
     
  6. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Here's what the military has found from actually using their weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan:

    1. The M4 carbine that everyone poo-poos is more or less universally well liked by the people who actually use them every day. It's light, compact, and if you shoot someone in the center of the chest with it, they're gonna have a really bad day. Yes, there have been instances where people have been shot with it and didn't fall down dead. There have been instances where people have been shot with .50 BMG and didn't fall down dead. So what?

    2. In wide open spaces such as the mountains of Afghanistan, the 7.62 NATO round works better than the 5.56 NATO round. On that note, .50 BMG works better than 7.62 NATO, unless you have to carry the rifle and ammunition. Shocking, but true.

    3. Semi-automatic sniper rifles are a better idea if you have to engage multiple targets quickly or the engagement window or distances are short or long enough, respectively, that you may miss your target with the first shot.

    4. Formally trained snipers are more capable than squad marksmen and have different equipment requirements because they can and do attempt things that sharpshooters could not or would not. A bolt action rifle may be a requirement in some instances for a sniper whereas a squad marksman could live with the slight accuracy loss inherent to a semi-automatic rifle. In other words, leave your Remington 700 at home and buy something like a M-14 or SCAR-H if you are not a trained sniper.

    5. High explosives work better than bullets. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, civilians aren't allowed to have 40MM grenade launchers, mortars, or artillery.

    6. Air and/or artillery support are important if you run into a unit with numerical superiority or greater firepower. Again, civilians don't generally have air or artillery support.
     
  7. seancslaughter

    seancslaughter New Member

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    Get an ar in a larger caliber such as 6.8 spc or 6.5 Grendel then have an eotech with a 3x magnifier on a slide to the side setup for both long and short range abilities you can also have back up iron sights for co witnessing. I was a squad designated marksmen in Iraq and was given a vintage m14 with a cheap *** scope and no way to mount the thing(the humble beginnings of the sdm program) basically I made friends with a guy in the local sf group who at the time has an unlimited army budget who basically retrofitted my m14 into a beast which was capable of longer shots than I was. Unless you are a trained sniper you have no need of taking any shot in excess of 500 meters especially stateside in a shtf situation so a bolt action rifle with a small magazine capacity is just not necessary the ar platform is versatile and has so many gadgets and gizmos available that it is the best all around weapon platform I'd say buy either one of the calibers I listed above and maybe save up for a second upper in 5.56 just because of ammo availability. You do not want to remove a scope and reattach it because a small change in placement can totally throw off your zero.
     
  8. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    I think the 700 is not a good shf gun unless you were planning on hiding up in the hills and hunting for your food. Usually when shf your trying to avoid people to get out of some place or defending some place you are planning on staying. Either way your going to want a gun that will shoot faster then a bolt action. But will say this. Everyone lives in a different area. Some live in the city, some the country and some in the suburbs. Only you can really decide what you need or work with what you have. I'm taking my Ar15 carbine and wife is taking the sks.
     
  9. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If you are hiding in the hills and hunting for your food, you will quickly find that high power rifles are way to noisy and will bring 2 legged predators. Get a bow or suppressed low velocity rifle for that situation. If it wasn't such a pita to get a suppressor I would have one on my 357 rifle. A 200 grain lead bullet at 1000 fps would be pretty deadly at short range. So would a 300 Blackout and that would be available on an AR.
     
  10. Crazycastor

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    One thing I would be worried about as far as having a large bolt action rifle is you will more likely be shooting smaller game for survival then bigger game.
     
  11. seancslaughter

    seancslaughter New Member

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    Good point on the small game I have a breakdown 10/22 in my bug out bag just for rabbits and squirrels
     
  12. TexasGunner

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    I like that. Another good argument for .22 is the fact that it is much much easier to tote extra ammo for it. I like the takedowns especially this one......

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  13. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    Thats a great gun for a bug out bag. That and 500 rounds wouldn't be that heavy at all.
     
  14. TexasGunner

    TexasGunner New Member

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    Almost wish the one I'm building was a takedown. Oh well....

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  15. Crazycastor

    Crazycastor New Member

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    Looks good Tex. Keep us posted on your build.
     
  16. nchunt101

    nchunt101 New Member

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    Are you related to Gecko 45?
     
  17. nchunt101

    nchunt101 New Member

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    Also why would you put a piece of glass on your rifle that cost less that the Magpul sights. I cant really see an M4 stock lending itself to long range accuracy either. Go get a 22 and learn to shoot.
     
  18. seancslaughter

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    Trang tuan you are like all over the map on these forums on one you claim you bought a ba110 in 338 lm then you reneg on that and say your getting something else then on this posting you put up some absolutely ridiculous frankenrifle idea that makes no sense at all. Are you a troll or like a 14 y/o who plays to much black ops 2? I mean your photo shows your in the military which I highly doubt because of your seeming lack of knowledge on some firearms. I mean seriously a model 700 with flip up sights and an ar type stock? Really if you were military you'd be like I'm getting an ar15 because I already know the platform and its capabilities. I can see a former sniper or sdm getting a model 700 as a marksman weapon but even they would have a patrol carbine.
     
  19. Vikingdad

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    I know what you mean seancslaughter. Awhile ago I asked what he thought about the 5.56 caliber in response to this post but got no response from him.

    WTF TrangTuan?
     
  20. TexasGunner

    TexasGunner New Member

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    I've also been pretty skeptical, but kept my mouth shut because I didn't want to sound like a complete a$$hole. The complete lack of proper grammar was the first clue to me.....