tactical rifle

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by countryboy, Oct 22, 2011.

  1. countryboy

    countryboy New Member

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    So, I have $1400 or so to play with, I'm looking for ideas. The three rifles I'm really looking at are the msar stg e4, m1a Springfield, or the arsenal ak47, in that order. Thoughts? Other suggestions?

    Background info: the rifle is for fun shooting and home defense. I'm not looking for an AR style rifle because I already have one.

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  2. coba29

    coba29 New Member

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    Have you ever thought about getting a used kriss?
     

  3. anoltroll56

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    Recently found an RFB at a local shop at a good price, and had to have it. Been wanting one for a long time
    Leftys, specially, if you've always wanted a true ambidextrious SHTF or hog thumper, this is the rifle for you.
    Ran various handloads throgh it without any issues. Also ran cheap 7.62 surplus, and had no issues. 150gr FMJ to 180gr soft tip spire bullets using lower range loads of Varget powder.
    Comes without sights, so I dropped an inexpensive BSA combo red dot, and laser pointer. Topped that with an UGF 140lumen light with pressure switch.
    Sighted in initially 1" high at 50yds walking the red dot in the X. Once setup, at the bench, it was grouping tight, considering red dot only with no magnification. Moved on to 100yds. Shot 10 shots as fast as I could get back in line, and was happy with 10's and X's. Freehand, quick 5 shots gave me 1-7, 3-8, and 1-9. May drop a big scope on it, and play some more. Would be happy to answer questions, and hear thoughts from others....
     
  4. countryboy

    countryboy New Member

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    That looks like a lot of recoil and not very ergonomic. am I misinterpreting what I'm seeing and getting from the reviews I'm finding?

    I'm sorry, I forgot to mention I want something that I can share with others to shoot, including first time shooters.

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  5. Werminator

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    I would look for something that shoots 7.62x39 or 5.56 nato as both of those rounds can be readily had at a reasonable price. I would hate to spend a grand on a gun and the ammo be too expensive to get out and enjoy said weapon. What I like about the 5.56 is the ability to also chamber .223... That means ammo can be found cheap! I say look at the AK... Arsenal is supposed to be the bee's knees of AK manufacturers...
     
  6. NativH

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    I think the order you have down is pretty decent. Although I've always drooled over M1A's, I went with the AR10 for my 308 battle rifle for lots of reasons. And AK's just never lit a fire in my belly, but they sure do in lots of other folks. I have a FA Steyr AUG and that is just a fine platform in my book. You can get plain jane 223 FMJ all the way up to super specialized rounds for it, recoil is reasonable, accuracy is fine for what it is, I love the control of three point mounting, and they just look cool (to me). For lots cheaper than the first two in your list, the Mini 14 or Mini 30 are great little rifles and the pistol caliber carbines like Beretta CX4 are fun to have around.
     
  7. therewolf

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    Depends on if your range fun is MOA-based or not.

    I'd say generally, go for the AK, they're great fun and ammo's cheap.

    If you're a more of a accuracy shooter, the Springfield.
     
  8. FCross7

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    From a quick glance, a problem I see with the MSAR is an inability to use iron sights, or iron sights that are only about 6-7 inches apart. Maybe there is something I'm missing though.

    M1As are really nice, and I'd like to have one. Only thing is they are pretty heavy.

    With $1400 you could get the Arsenal and a ton of ammo. Arsenal's are one of the better AKs from what I've read. The only issue I have with AK's is there is no real good way to mount any sort of optics, and the iron sights are "ok" at best. Still a very fun gun to shoot.

    Of the three, I would personally go with the Arsenal. Mainly because your budget allows for additional ammo and magazines. If you got either of the others, you would have the rifle and nothing else.

    You could easily buy the AK, 10 mags and a couple thousand rounds for $1400.

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  9. countryboy

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    So everyone who's contributed knows, I've decided on all three. I'm starting with the msar, only because I found one for a grand. Next will likely be the m1a with the ak batting cleanup. I greatly appreciate all of your input and advice. Next challenge will be deciding optics for each.

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  10. therewolf

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    Actually, there are bolt-on or replacement parts for AKs which have

    scope rails attached to them. Shop around a little, google a little more.

    you'd be surprised at what you can find for anything as popular as an AK...
     
  11. gutz47

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    I say get the arsenal in 5.56. You can totally put optics all over the thing. The m1a isn't the best home defense gun. Kinda huge and .308 isn't the round I wanna be firing in the house. Nor is the 5.56 but that's my choice of what you listed.
     
  12. FCross7

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    I've seen most of them. The ones from Midwest Industries are nice, but that's about it. Pretty much all the side mounts I've seen leave the optic too high for my tastes, receiver and gas tube mounted optics aren't secure enough for me, and even the MI hand guard rail has some downfalls, mostly weight is what I don't like about it. I know it's not all that heavy, but the weight is right out on the end of the rifle, where the weight will feel the heaviest, plus you're stuck with either red dots, or IER scopes.

    In my opinion, the only optic mount worth having the Micro Mount from MI that replaces the rear sight.

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  13. mjkeat

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    I went w/ the MI mount for the reasons listed above, it looks better too.
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    There is a place making mounts the utalize the side mount that sit just as low as the one pictured above. I can't recall the companies name but it's RSK-something or other.
     
  14. TruggieTex

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    New member, but this thread is interesting as I have an SLR-95 in 7.62 and an M1A scout. Both great guns, but I'll take my youth/ladies Daily 20ga with "special" loads for home defense. My opinion only, of course.
     
  15. countryboy

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    I understand the over penetration issues of both the 556 and 762 in the domestic environment, but I live alone. No, the primary purpose of these rifles has nothing to do with home defense, but shtf I expect to be able to grab it and be effective. I have a very nice coach gun for the good ole homestead.

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  16. TruggieTex

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    Ah, understood. Perhaps the M1A would be my choice, then.
     

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  17. countryboy

    countryboy New Member

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    That's an interesting stock. Haven't seen that before. Is that realtree?

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  18. TruggieTex

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    Mossy Oak break up...from Springfield as well.