Survival Weapon

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by revandy, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. revandy

    revandy New Member

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    If you watched the new movie titled, "The Road" the real shortage other than food was ammo. I am wondering if something like that really did happen, what if a person had a good .22 rifle or handgun and a boat load of .22 ammo, do you think that it would last and be able to protect you from animals, four and two legged? .22 ammo just seems the right ticket becuase it is so small and light. You can carry a lot and not feel the weight. Just wondering guys, what do you think?
     
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  2. bgeddes

    bgeddes New Member

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    I think a .22lr has a lot of potential uses during a survival situation, especially the car broken down in the middle of nowhere type thing. The lowly .22 can deliver sustenance and a bit of protection. Great guns are available for a reasonable price, both handguns and rifles. The ammo is available and cheap and a lot can be packed into a small space.

    For a SHTF situation, a .22 will have some use but I would not count on it for primary protection.
     

  3. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    22lr is the ticket for emergency hunting. But I would also have a large caliber handgun for defense. A loaded pistol with a couple of extra mags would last a long time if only used for self defense. I would not trust my life to a 22.
     
  4. hunter Joe

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    I've given much thought as to what survival firearm I would choose and I think I would truly consider using my Mark II. The Ruger will pack easily and you can carry a $hit load of .22 rim fire ammunition. A well placed shot with a .22 will stop man or beast IMHO.
     
  5. revandy

    revandy New Member

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    Ruger single six

    My Ruger Single Six is in .22 cal. but also has a .22 mag cylinder. My Ruger is a very accurate handgun, easy to pack, and can shoot the .22 mag. round if needed. I think if there was a meltdown and I was restricted to only a few guns and ammo, the Ruger would be my pick for a meat getter, and if need be a last ditch protection gun. I have heard that it is not the cal., grain of bullet, or amount of bullets, but placement of the bullet. I sure would not want to get hit in the head with a .22 LR or Mag. round. But, I am not that good of a shot, especially in a high stressed situation.
     
  6. sjh1022

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    So the way i see it is that yes the .22 is small and my not stop a threat in one shot, however i have a very small .22 that has a 10 round clip. Short of a bear I do believe I will be able to stop anything coming my way. It may require a full clip but with being able to let off 10 rounds in a matter of seconds i dont think that will be a problem. I just went shooting the other day and for the heck of it shot a solid 4x4 piece of wood and it went through and through. Makes me wounder how much force a .22 has in realistic terms because i figure anything that can go through a 4x4 can do a heck of a job on the soft tissue of any two or four legged threat.

    I started to ramble...in short if need be it may take more than one shot but i would trust a .22 if thats all i have.
     
  7. Oohrah

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    Is it an instant killer? It can be, however the shot has to placed exact. For an example that one inch area at top of a human's nose. If it is close enough to penetrate through, the medula is right to the rear and shuts down everything in the nervious system. Most can not be that precise when they shoot. I body shot like on a deer, even if in a vital area, they can travel a goody distance. A 22 LR bullet is easy deflected, and have seen at least one vital area hit ( left side uder a shirt pocket), follow a rib around and exit from under his left arm pit. This was fired from a Winchester pump rifle using a 40 grain high velocity round at point blank distance. A neckshot on a deer. the animal traveled almost .75 before running out of blood. It layed down twice before expiring the third time. A low behind the shouder deer 125# was instant death with a 40 grain bullet. Yep, it can do the trick, but then it sometimes fails with large animals. However, it covers a lot in betweens. Shots must be close up to use the advantage of velocity and tissue damage, along withcutting down the odds of deflection. I do make it a part of my survival plans and equipment, but do not depend on a single firearm to do all things. It is a little on the weak side for self defense.
     
  8. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Hadn't really thought of it before, but it would make sense that the .22lr would become my primary weapon in such a situation. Large caliber ammo would quickly become worth its weight in gold. I would not want to fire any of my .40 or .357 unless I absolutely had to... let alone a larger, more expensive rifle caliber. Now if I have 5,000 rounds of .22lr, I've got something I can work with for a long time.
     
  9. aslowdodge

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    I'm new and don't know a lot, but in the paper today there were 2 articles about fatal shootings. Both were from 22. Unless I am missing something, it does seem adequate for a lot of things.
     
  10. CA357

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    My suggestion for a last ditch survival rifle would be a KelTec SU16. It's compact when folded and can fit in a backpack, shoots .223 and takes AR mags. I had one and it was dependable and an accurate shooter.

    There's lots of stuff with more firepower, but this one makes a lot of sense to me. Especially since one of the main "Survival" rifle characteristics seems to require a small and packable firearm. It's also a big step up from .22 LR and I really like that idea.

    They do cost more, but if it really ever has to do survival duty, what's your life worth?
     
  11. Mannster

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    The .22LR is a great round and with the right gun, it is a great survival option. The Kel-Tec mentioned is a good gun (I have the 223 pistol version), but under the scenario mentioned, I think 22LR is the best fit. I plan to get the 22 version of the Kel-Tec rifle as a good go-bag item.

    Everyone dismisses the 22, but forgets that Hinkley took down 4 people with a 22LR snub-nose pistol. Also RFK was killed with a 22LR snub-nose. There's a lot of good ammo out there now for personal defense such as CCI Velocitors. And for hunting, when I was a kid, that's about all we used (that and a 410) and we killed just about everything we shot at (rabbits, squirrels, etc..). You can eat for a long time from the fruit of a 22LR.
     
  12. ofitg

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    Sounds good to me. A .22 rifle for gathering food, and a centerfire handgun "just in case"....
     
  13. big shrek

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    .22's are responsible for more firearms deaths in the US than most other calibers.

    It'll kill.

    Of course, it also helps if it's followed by a bunch more...that's why I prefer the Calico .22's...
    100 rounds per magazine bumpfired can do a LOT of damage :)
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  14. revandy

    revandy New Member

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    Aquila 60 grain bullet

    Has anyone been hunting with the Aquila 60 grain bullet? I was just wondering how much difference there is with the 60 grain vs. the 40 grain. Also the 60 grain is a sub-sonic round.
     
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  15. 30-30remchester

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    I study actual survival situations and can attest to the fact that food and water are THE most important items to have. Water can be found in many places however food is another thing altogeather. I live in big game rich area and have calculated that is the SHTF the large game wouldnt last for a year. Without refrigeration much waste would be common. Though we only have @3000 residents there would not be enough to last our community for a year. Then there is the noise of a large caliber round alerting everyone for miles that there is quite likely food for the taking in the vacinity of the sound. The average person would quickly be reduced to eating birds and squirrels. The 22 would be the ticket for such game. The fact that 400 rounds of 22lr's wight the same as 25 12 guages allows the carrying of plenty of ammo. In WWII in Alaska the soldiers were struggling on the Jap held islands. Castners Cuttroats were a band of woodmen the army recruited to scout for the Japs. T
     
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    Sorry about that I punched the wrong button. To continue the scouts used scoped sighted rifles and to the man was issued 22 handguns to supply them with food while on long range scoutings. The mad trapper of the Rat River, the true story the movie "DEATHWISH" was based on took place in the far Nothwest Territories. After weeks of pursuit, he was spotted by aircraft, and when the Mounties shot him, it was discovered he had 2 guns on him. A Savage 99 in 30-30 and a Winchester pump 22. In his pockets was a dead bird and squirrel. He had never had a fire or had fired a shot that could be heard and supplied himself with food along the way leaving no signs of any big game being taken. About every sourdough in Alaska and Canada had a 22 to supply daily food. You cant shoot a moose every time you get hungry. I believe a 22 would be my first choice.
     
  17. stalkingbear

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    My personal choice would be (and is) a good .22 magnum semiauto. Mine is a takedown model Brno 611. You can use solid point bullets on small game and they don't tear meat up as much as a .22LR HP. On larger game the solid point will produce almost twice the penetration of a .22LR. Naturally varmints require hollow pointed bullets. You can also carry the same amount of ammo as .22LR.
     
  18. Precision

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    I have a Savage 24, 22LR over 410.

    The 22 can take just about any small game. The 410 can use bird shot, buck shot and slugs and equals a 44 Mag with slugs.

    It's a pivot barrel so it breaks down easy and carries well in the field.
     
  19. zeskullmaster

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    22 LR amo for survival

    I set peaple up with survival gear as well as how when and where to find info and get some great deals for equpiment and I have found it best to have two weapons in a grab and run bag. one is a AR-7 made by Henry it is a complete rifle and holds up under severe conditions comes with two ten round Mags can take a scope if you need one but I have found the peep sights work great out to 50 yards Rabits , squirls and other small game even Birds sitting in a branch are fair game when you need some food. as for stopping power yes it can and has killed two legged men ( and women ) when used for that purpose but that also takes a good shot and a steady hand when you are in a real situation of life and death you wont be calm and collected so I also recomend another survival rivle it has a 22 LR single shot and another barrel with a 410 shotgun cartridge .. other wise carry a extra weapon such as a 38 spl. or other handgun doesnt matter if it is a revolver or a semi auto just as long as you are comfy with it and PRACTICE with it :)