Survival Medicine

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by 7point62, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    How prepped are you? Can you treat wounds, burns, blast injuries, fractures? Shock? Hypothermia? Animal bite? Is a good trauma/medic kit part of your bug-out-bag? Do you know CPR/BLS (at the least)? What about infections? Do you have antibiotics? How familiar are you with medicinal plants? Hydration management? Can you give an IV?

    Do you have good medical handbooks in your kit?
     
  2. DocWard

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    Depending on severity, blast injuries are among the most severe and difficult to treat, often being limited to comfort care in a field environment. They often include brain trauma, regardless of whether the cranium is disrupted.

    At most any level below a hospital setting, fractures are best splinted, then the casualty treated for shock.

    Antibiotics can be fraught with problems, particularly penicillin based ones. Others can react adversely with other medicines, and nearly all can create problems if a complete regimen is not given.

    By law, IVs can only be prescribed by a doctor, even if it is normal saline. More importantly, it is important to know when and why one gives an IV, and what is given in those situations.

    Oh, and yes, my aid bags are stocked and ready to go. Of course, I'm a part time Army Medic. There are several good books on the subject of First Aid. I will double check a couple of titles the next chance I get.
     

  3. Poink88

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    Please do post what you can recommend, I am very interested.
     
  4. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Grateful for your input, Doc. I'm suggesting by these questions that professional medical care is not available due to remoteness or catastrophic infrastructure fail. I'm sure some of our military people here have taken the CLC (combat lifesaver course).

    I have a pretty basic M3 bag. I'm thinking of upgrading.

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    What are your thoughts on storable medicines? Don't many prescrip meds have a much longer shelf life than the lables suggest, provided they are stored correctly?
     
  5. amoroque

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    This is a very interesting topic.

    I do have a lot of first aid/CPR training, but I dont currently have more than a basic first aid kit in my bug out bag.

    I'm interested to hear what you guys come up with so I can be prepared.
     
  6. JonM

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    in a true shtf i will be hitting the local vet stockpile at the feed store. dont need to go through doctors and most vet meds are given dosage by weight. while peeps are battling each other at walgreens over cough syrup ill be raiding the feed stores.

    most meds dont have terribly long shelf life so stocking them when there are no signs of disaster is a big cost.

    living on a ranch growing up i treated lots of animal wounds and my own cuts and scratches with vet grade topical antibiotic creams. they tend to work better than the triple antibiotic that you get at walmart.

    i would have no worries about treating my own illnesses wit vet meds if all other sources werent available.
     
  7. Troy Michalik

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    JonM is spot effing on right here.

    The wife and I raise and train horses and are ALWAYS having to doctor, bandage, inject or stitch something. The feed store is a good starting point, they'll have all the bandages, ointments and wound spray, but they don't typically carry the more advanced stuff like suture kits and IV fluids. You'll need a vet supply for that kind of stuff.

    So if you happen to be "on the run", stop by and we'll patch you up. ;)
     
  8. 7point62

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    The Special Forces Medical Handbook is a good one to tote along with you if you can locate a recent edition. I get my books on a military base but I'm pretty sure you can get it on-line.

    It's also worthwhile to spend 400 or 500 bucks and take an EMT/B course if your local community college offers it. I did it as a refresher but ended up learning new stuff.
     
  9. HKSlinger

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    My wife was a vet tech.. She'll be going,"shopping" with me.;)
     
  10. IGETEVEN

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    Indeed, Feedstores and Co-ops are very good sources for all your medical supplies, needles and needs, including injectable, as well as, oral antibiotics and other medications. They are much less expensive, but they are not less quality. They are made by the same major pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the people antibiotics and medications. As mentioned, they do need to be diluted and dosed from animal to human wt/dosage.

    Here is St-31-91B, U.S. ARMY SPECIAL FORCES MEDICAL HANDBOOK on a PDF file you can download and store on your computer and have on file for reference, or one can print out a specific section to utilize for training and practice. ;)

    http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/milmed/sfhandbook-pt1.pdf
     
  11. NitroxAZ

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    +1 to the vet/feed store. Also, my lovely bride was a Trauma Nurse for eight years so I am pretty well covered on that front.
     
  12. fireguy

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    Excellent topic for a post here.

    I spent 17 years in EMS, a large part of it as crew captain and county training officer. I have IV supplies available, though in small quantity. I have a pretty extensive first aid kit and trauma kit, but both need more stocking if they were to be used for serious injuries.

    Where I fall short is in treating illness. A severe infection, either viral or fungal is difficult in normal times and will be most likely deadly or life-altering in a SHTF situation. The medicines needed to treat them can be expensive if you are serious about having a stock large enough for a full term treatment and still have meds left for other occurances. I'm slowly working on solutions.

    Some suggested books are as follows:
    Where there is no doctor
    Where there is no dentist
    Physicians Desk reference book-great for dosing of meds
    Prehospital trauma life suppor
    Brady's EMT and Paramedic texts
    Gray's Anatomy
    Mayo Clinic guide to self care
    Medicinal plants of the prairies

    I'm too tire to think what else I have, I'll have to post again when my batteies get recharged.
     
  13. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Well done, thank you.
     
  14. Davyboy

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    Thought you might find this interesting
     
  15. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Thanks for the link, sir. My copy is an earlier edition.
     
  16. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah, it is, and thanks. I almost made a lame wisecrack about Indigo Montoya, but held myself in check for once. Good stuff.