survival kit in small aircraft

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by greenn17h, Mar 7, 2009.

  1. greenn17h

    greenn17h New Member

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    Hello all, please bear with me as I'm somewhat of a novice when it Comes to guns. I'm a pilot, and may be required to fly a small airplane to and from Alaska in a couple of months (this might become a regular trip, although I'm not too sure). There are plenty of lists online of things required (by alaskan / canadian law) and recommended to be onboard in case of an emergency situation. Most of these include a gun of some kind. A few people I've talked to said a 12 Ga shotgun is probably my best bet, as there is a variety of shot I could use (birdshot for small game, buckshot / slugs for defense). Does this make sense? What exactly should I get? From my limited research, it seem like a remmington 870 is a decent choice, as they're abundant, reliable, and inexpensive. I see there are probably 20 different versions listed on the website, what are the differences between all of these?

    Should I look into a rifle (if so, which one?) instead? A handgun is out of the question (I believe) because I'll obviously have to go through Canada to get there.

    Would all of you say a gun is necessary, period? As I said before, I'm a novice. I've shot several different thing, mostly handguns, but really don't know much about it. I'd plan on practicing with anything I bought, but maybe it's one of those things that if you're not pretty skilled it's more trouble than it's worth?

    Any other (constructive) advice I gan get is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
     
  2. hunter Joe

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    In my opinion, a 12 ga. with 00 buckshot should slow down anything you might encounter and you also have the option of using rifled slugs. Chamber the buckshot and throw the slug in behind it in case you need or get a second shot.

    Most importantly, stay alert in survival situations.
     

  3. The Godfather

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    id say a 12ga. 870s are reliable and pretty cheap. id stock up on some buckshot for bigger animals and rifled slugs like hunter joe said just in case you need to use a second shot.

    for smaller game id get a .22LR rifle for hunting dinner...
     
  4. orangello

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    Well, if you are out of practice, the big dispersal pattern of the shotgun might save some missed shots. IIRC, they sell some special "cracker" shells designed to scare bears away, but i think they would run from some buckshot too. Something about a pump gun is very comforting. Also, if you get one with a plastic stock that is hollow, you can put some first aid stuff in there & a bandolier of shells might not be a bad idea.

    Question for the smarter peeps, could you fire a 12 guage flare from a regular pump 12 guage? I've wanted to try before, but didn't.
     
  5. biff44

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    I would get one of those over/under shotgun/rifle combos. That way, anything that walks by can become supper. I would have a small tent, a thick sleeping bag with waterproof (not down) insulation. Some really good rain gear. About 5 different methods of starting a fire. A good small axe, a couple of knifes. Compass, maps, flashlight, high energy bars of some sort, water canteen. Some sort of splints/ace banadages, in case you have a broken leg after the landing. Signal mirror, flare/smoke. Anti biotics, pain pills, etc. Fishing gear. Probably would bring a handheld VHF radio and spare batteries to talk to search crews, and of course be filing a flight plan. I would also invest in one of these: SPOT SATELLITE MESSENGER :: HOME PAGE

    Also, survival book and field medicine book. Good backpack. Good insulated boots. Snowshoes/poles if there is any snow around.

    A plane carrying 4 execs from a company my brother worked at went down up there around 30 years ago--not a trace was ever found.

    I would also probably become a student of magnetic declination oddities in the area I was flying over.

    Some natives have little fold up metal stoves to heat their tents with when it is 30 below. Might find me one of those too.
     
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  6. c3shooter

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    For stowage on the aircraft, take at look at Mossberg JIC shotguns: O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. - Firearms, Shotguns, Rifles, Accessories, and Precision Machining. However, the pistol grip and no stock (1) makes them MUCH harder to shoot, and (2) MAY give you problems with Canadian LEO when not in a survival mode.

    Would definitely go for a 12 g pump shotgun- have spent time in Alaska, and the critters are big and not tame. You might also look up wolverine. :D

    Yes, you can shoot birdshot, buckshot, slugs, flares, etc, etc, etc. And a scattergun should be only PART of a good survival kit.

    Re: comment on magnetic declination- when I was there in late 60s, a magnetic compass reading would be off by 28 degrees in our area- more in others- and much of the interior was in process of being mapped.
     
  7. janikphoto

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    I think there are a few people on this board from Alaska. They would be able to give some great pointers. Maybe if you also post a question in the "survival" section of this forum? They can discuss general needs/wants in that sort of situation.

    But, regarding the shotgun issue. An 870 is a fine choice. It will shoot a variety of shells, giving you more options. There have been some models of shotgun made that can break down, making it half as long (easier to store and carry).
     
  8. The Godfather

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    very...uhh...reassuring...

    espeically before a flight...

    :D
     
  9. Spanz

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    There is just a lot that can go wrong. Equipment failure in a single engine. Bad fuel. Flying into IFR and then a mountain. Crashing into a lake. Having some problem in your nav gear and getting lost (all lakes look the same out there, no distinctive landmarks). Woods just gobbling up the plane crash.

    The only things you can do are being prepared to survive, knowing your plane, and really knowing how to do an engine out landing. Most pilots really suck at engine outs! Get a stunt pilot to give you 15 hours of training someday.
     
  10. matt g

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    It happens at least a few times per year.
     
  11. Mark F

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    It's called a "DEADSTICK" landing... and you get one chance to get it right.
     
  12. Rex in OTZ

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    Ak survival bag

    I would find a Pilot that's flown the rought before fly up with him.
    What time the year you plan to do this?
    Where you flying from?
    Where you going to? passes and mountains villages where 100LL is available
    What rateings you have?
    What Type of plane and its range?
    A firearm isant really needed, you will be dealing with Canadians for some reason the authorities there have a dim view of hand guns and semiautomatic anything!
    If you have to put down somewhere chances are you will be lucky to get out the plane at all with what's on your back, you may have broken legs mabe knocked out upside down and hypothermic succombing to the elements is primary concern, having a operable hand held with extra batteries and the new ELT (they changed the frequency they monitor) with fresh batteries (have your A&P or IA check ELT) when brushing off snow the ELT antenne can be easily broken off, may have to live with whats in your pockets (fishing vest comes to mind with stuff in all the pockets) flight plans very important, not pushing the weather is another (we can alway's come out when the weather is nice and look for you) I have a few pilot friends that racked up some time in these parts I'd glad to get you in touch with the Fellas that flew up here and have survived a crash or two.
    Right off I know three guy's that would be good sources


    I rememberd another so its allready up to 4!