Survival/Barter TRADE Items?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by RONSERESURPLUS, May 16, 2007.

  1. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Hello all


    Ron L here = SERESURPLUS


    I thought I'd bring up the topic of Survival Or barter Trade items?

    In most situations, Folks go for the easy, items that they will part with, should trade off easy and work? Weaons/Ammunition, Booze, Drugs and such? While thier will be a Market for those Items Katrina showed that in Spades, Often these sorts of Items bring you more Misery than they solve? The same Weapons/Ammo traded can be used to Kil you? The Booze and Drugs as well the same? The folks that Want those sorts of items often are the types that will Follow you back to your site and Demand more, want to rob you of your barter or outsright are TROUBLE? Jewlery and Baubles? Thier always seems to be a gut of these sorts of Items, but often are the Loot of Pawn shops and are trouble in spades as well?

    Better items for barter are those Simple items, we see and use every day, Yet are hard to make or a Pain to re-produce in Numbers? I see, fishing hooks, Sinkers and Lures, Sewing needed and Needles of all Types as a great trade item? Small NON Drug med items works as well! I see Canteens, Military Items will trade well and are often requested? I see NON Electronic items Like P-38 and P-51 Can Opners as GOLD! Small Items of Scrap Silver )Under some situations) can he bartered, small Gold coins and items as well! These Items will not be a lot of use in a Total Disaster till all gets a lot better, or fails completely? I've seen Gas Cans, Water storge Items and all of that go for silly prices and real hard to make them on site? Often, after a water type of disaster, Containers for storage are filthy and disease contaminated! In that sort of situation, no way to wash or clean them up without cross contamination? Small Inflatabe boats and rafts sell and Trade well! Seen entire family possessions floated down River till it was safe? Precios Family Items like Pictures and Memories saved with a $3.50 Large bag of Zip Lock Bags? Funny what is worthless now, becomes the stuff of dreams?



    Cans/Bottles of Food, Food items that are Packaged for Long term storage, Tents, Tarps, Line of all Types! Bow strings for Typical Used Recurve, not sure that those are of Value with all the Compound Users out there any more?

    In short, those Items we have seen used and Demanded in all the Hurricanes and Disasters we have been forced to Survive, earth quakes and more?


    Not meant to be a total List, But Just a few items I've seen work and I used to Pass the Bad times? Offer your opinions and what worked for you, and Maybe we can Help each other do better in this?



    RON L
     
  2. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Thanks for the ideas -- you raise some good points. I think there's some room in one of my bug-out bags for some of the items you mention.
     

  3. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    BTK


    YUP, a lot of the items that I recommend, do not take up a lot of room, are easy to store and can easliy be afforded! I see it as a start, not a total List, Just hope that more resond, so we can make a better list? I hope to hear from others here, even if you disagree and have other options? BKT, thanks for your Input, it was well appreciated!



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  4. BrassMonkey

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    Some good trade items IMO would be.

    1.) Cigarettes, smokers will damn near give their first born for a smoke when they have been out for a few days.

    2.) Booze will always be worth something. Vodka, Whiskey, and Rum would be good choices to have.

    3.) Coffee in the freeze dried bricks would be worth its weight in gold.

    4.) Condoms because people are still going to want to......umm.....ehh you know, without unwanted pregnancy.

    5.) Lots of .22 LR ammo. Most gun owners have a .22 LR, and if you cant trade it you can still use it.
     
  5. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Good to hear from you and not wanting to start an argument, But, do you really want to Trade 22 shells to some one that might later shoot you with them and takje some stuff? Ever Been to a late Night Bar and see what Booze does to those that Drink too much and the way they act, and you wanna trade them More? I understand that these are comodities, but More than often, katrina as well as a Lot of Fairly contained em,ergences showed that tade in Booze, weapons and Ammunition did not biode well for those that did it!


    I do Like your Idea of Coffie, and Cigarittes, thought not my pick, would trade and sell well, That I will most strongly agree with, Even been in a room of Just quit Smokers and Coffie Drinklers that have not had thier fix?

    Condums, well, Yea, thats a good one I need to remember and add!



    Any Storage of Cigarettes, Cigars or Tobacco, would have to wrapped in Tim Foil and stored, as they go "Stale" far faster than many know?


    Thanks for your Idea's and it's a real addition to the forum!



    RON
     
  6. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    Prescription and non-prescription pain killers I think would be an ideal thing to stock to use as barter.
     
  7. BrassMonkey

    BrassMonkey New Member Supporter

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    I figure with alcohol they will consume it well after they leave my vicinity. Condoms do expire, and cigarettes do go stale. However with cigarettes a smoker who has been without for a few days probably won't care ;) . I would not have any problems with trading .22 ammunition. I already have more than I could shoot in a lifetime (without being stupid with 30 round mags in the 10/22). I would not however give up any 5.56, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, or any other serious caliber, and I would never trade weapons.

    Toothpaste, deoderant, ect may get you trade for smaller items. Stocking up on prescription meds would be costly, probably illegal, and they expire. The only medication I would stock up on would be that which my family members require. I am lucky in that none of us take prescription medication.
     
  8. RONSERESURPLUS

    RONSERESURPLUS New Member

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    Brassmonkey


    RON L here = Seresurplus


    You raise a lot of good points, I'm not sure that I agree about how Viable trading Hooch would be, as it always seems to bring Problems, But I do understand your point! If they Drink it after they leave ya might BE OK, but the types Looking for that Only are Usually problems ands that migyht Catch up with you later?

    22, or any Ammo in my opinion is a bad deal to trade, It can and will be used against you other others, but again, My opinion only
     
  9. sar3

    sar3 New Member

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    It's really easy to make your own alcohol so I doubt it would be worth THAT much esp. after everyone settled back down.

    You need to stock up on things that people can't produce anymore like chemicals and such.
     
  10. sixgunner

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    Aspirin, antibiotics, anti nausea meds, anti dirrhea meds, sleeping pills, caffeine pills, gauze, band aids, sterile anything, anti itching meds, slings, a range of eyeglasses (drug store cheaters), nylon parachute cord, any surplus non perishable food item, and batteries!! If you have all these you will be able to name your price, provided "they" don't out number/gun you.
     
  11. Bidah

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    We put up quite a bit of TP for our use as well as bartering. We also put up a bit of stock of Tampons and pads. Both will store for a long time, don't go stale or expire, and yes, people do barter for said items.
     
  12. FALPhil

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    A lot of what become valuable for trading/bartering depends on how long the situation lasts. For instance, a short term local disaster like a hurricane causes things like batteries, candles, polyethylene sheeting and pop-tarts to command a premium. Under broader, more widespread and longer lasting scenarios, things like sugar, salt, parabolic mirrors, and wind generators become worth their weight in gold.
     
  13. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    +1 on the salt. If you plan on bartering ammo, it is generally accepted you don't barter off ammo that is likely used against you. Bird shot in 12 and 20 ga as well as .22 lr are good barter items. I would not barter off any 5.56 or buckshot.
     
  14. Domtxn

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    Greetings folks

    I looked through all the ideas on this thread and while they are all very good there is one simple basic thing you all missed. Toilet paper. While it isnt a necessity you would be surprised how much people would be willing to give for some when they absolutely cant find any. This and bottled water. The simpler something is the more we take it for granted until we can no longer get it easily.
     
  15. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    Barter away tampons??? Shoot! In a pinch they'll work as boresnakes!!!!
     
  16. allmons

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    And, tampons are great to plug bullet wounds....

    The original feminine napkin pads were developed using military combat dressings as a guide. They hold a LOT of blood, can be used as an expedient battle dressing and might not give your injury away - nobody is surprised to find bloody maxi pads!

    Plus, they are VERY inexpensive. Anybody bought battle dressings lately? WOW! Pretty darn pricey.
     
  17. FALPhil

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    Unless someone is educated enough to know that menstrual blood does not coagulate.
     
  18. AR Hammer

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    You should acquire/store what ever you have at hand and work with...
    If you work at a paper factory, then drag home the butt end rolls and the factory rejects of hand towels, TP, and what ever else you can get a hold of...

    Used to be every family canned a years worth of food every fall,
    PLUS,
    Worked some kind of job...

    If you work at the railroad, bring home what you can, broken boxes of this or that the customer wouldn't accept, old RxR ties make great emergency fire wood or industrial fire wood for steam or forges!
    High grade steel will always be in demand!

    If you work at the grocery store, bring home as much of the 'Scratch & Dent' stuff they will let you buy and/or carry off!
    Old fruits, vegtables, and meats can still be canned on their last day before spoilage.
    Opened boxes (but liner intact) or dented/missing label cans eat just as well as the first run stuff!

    The guy with a 'Bone Yard' will be king of the heap pretty quickly... Growing up on a farm, I know the value of a 'bone yard' for spare parts, stock for making things from, ect...
    City dwellers just can't grasp how valuable a bone yard is!

    I personally have a pretty large selection of spare parts for some popular rifles, and I have a progressive reloader with lots of stock in bullets, primers, powder and several dozen sets of dies...
    It's what I've done for a hobby for years, and people are going to need ammo, if they bring me brass, I can reload.

    I've been into electronics, especially vehicle electronics, for most of my life.
    Ignitions from scratch are no problem for me, and I can sort out about any electrical problem very quickly.
    This will be a commodity that will be in demand.

    Turning a car alternator into a welder is pretty easy, but if you don't have welding rods, you are screwed!
    So if I didn't buy welding rods in long term storage cans it wouldn't make much sense...

    Turning car alternators and/or DC motors into windmills or electricity producing water wheels is already a subsistence business that is taking off, and would explode in a 'SHTF' environment.
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    Short term problems, hurricanes, tornadoes or floods, will require a different mind set...
    'Instant', or 'Temporary' things will be a requirement...

    Chain saw with fuel & oil.

    Rolls of heavy plastic for covering windows and roofs.
    Some sheets of plywood, some construction lumber and a good supply of nails would be a good thing!

    Like the poster said before, a boat would be a great thing in areas that can flood...
    (like up around the great lakes right now!)

    The big, old, ugly, rusted out, hunting 4 Wheel Drive the neighbors b!tched about for the past 5 years now becomes priceless!

    Batteries and generators are simply a necessity!
    Remember, LP tanks are easier storage for fuel than gas cans, and with a little forethought and planning, the generators, and some vehicles, don't know the difference.
    LP stores for years, gas only stores for months...

    Solar panels with battery banks & generators are going to make your life so much more comfortable, and if someone needs emergency power, may save your life!
     
  19. rickrem700

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    Mess kits, Fuel bars (Trioxane), Propane, k1,Batteries,flashlights,cheap socks and underware, bar soap, baby diapers and wipes,small generaters,disposable cups and plates, plastic spoons and forkes, botteled water, small mirrors, cheap lighters, tin foil, ziplock bags, razors, Q-tips, COFFEE,SUGAR,CREAMER, duct tape,cheap hand tools, toilet paper, Blankets, sun glasses, plastic sheeting,cheap dome tents, granola bars and fruit snacks,MRE's, para cord,toothpast and brushes, cheap knives, salt and peper, military cook stoves.


    One things for sure ain't nobody getting my smokes, booz, or ammo!!!!
     
  20. longshot

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    Matches, toilet paper and candles would also give you a lot of leverage. Most people today do not know how to survive without being able to flip a switch and have everything right there at their fingertips. Any sort of small luxury item will bring a high price with any of those people.

    The condoms may expire but they can still be an assest, place them over the muzzle of your rifle when traveling on foot in a rain storm.