surplus ammo through mosin nagant...

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Armed-Citizen, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Armed-Citizen

    Armed-Citizen New Member

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    Recognizing that it is corrosive ammo,
    Will it damage the mosin nagant in the long run even if i properly clean it right after shooting?
    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    No. Please bear in mind, every round of small arms ammo fired in WW 1 and WW 2 and Korea (except .30 carbine) was corrosive primed.

    All that the term means is the the primer is pased on potassium chlorate. On firing it burns to potassium chloride- a first cousin to table salt. It dissolves in water.

    However, many bore cleaners are petroluem based, and do not dissolve it. What DOES get it out is WASHING it out- water. Hot water. Couple of drops of Dawn dish detergent on your bore brush. Flush with more hot water.

    I put the rifle (minus bolt) in a padded vise, barrel tipped down at a 45 degree angle. Put a bucket under muzzle. Use a small plastic funnel that will fit into chamber. Pour a qt of hot water thru the bore. Brush with a bit of dish dtergent. Another couple of qts of hot water. Let dry, run an oiled patch thru the bore. While bore is drying, wipe off bolt with damp cloth, dry, wipe with oiled cloth. Total time 5-10 minutes.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I will add, the hotter the better. It will dry much more quickly with HOT water.
     
  4. Armed-Citizen

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    do yuo also take apart the bolt and clean?
    hopefully i got this down right-
    after shooting corrosive ammo,
    1. clean with how water thru barrel using funnel at 45degree angle with bucket underbarrel to get water from barrel.
    2. use detergent through barrel
    3. use cleaning rod with patch to run through barrel (several times)
    4. hot water again through barrel

    is that it?
    im pretty new to this whole process, forgive me
    is there anything to the process im missing?
    doe i let the how water dry on its own on the last step?
    thanks in advance
     
  5. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Excellent cleaning procedure.
    I do an additional step. when the seems dry, I run ac patch through saturated with alcohol. alcohol absorbs water, and removes any last trace of it.
     
  6. c3shooter

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    The alcohol patch would help- IF you have high purity alcohol.

    After having about 3 qts of HOT water poured thru it, barrel is hot. Leave it in the vise, bolt out. Dry patch thru bore, or alcohol patch, and let it air. The heat will drive off any last trace of water. Then run an oiled patch thru the bore. Not necessary to fully strip bolt each time- wipe down exterior.

    For the bore-
    Hot water.
    Brush with a couple of drops of dish detergent.
    HOT water rinse.
    Dry patch.
    WAIT a few minutes.
    Oiled patch

    Someone will tell you about using Windex- that is actually helpful for COPPER fouling- for corrosive primers, the water part of windex is what works.
     
  7. Armed-Citizen

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    ok thank you, for the oiled patch, what type of oil?
     
  8. c3shooter

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    Gents- We are NOT discussing ARs- we are discussing shooting CORROSIVE PRIMED AMMO in a Mosin nagant rifle!

    The AR/ M16 family of weapons was not intended to be washed- the bolt action M-N was. Brake cleaner does NOT remove the salt left after a corrosive primer is fired. It takes a WATER based product to do that. During WW 2 the US issued RBC- rifle bore cleaner- that WOULD do the job. Stunk like crazy.

    Pay attention now, and keep up with the rest of us.
     
  9. robertb6112

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    I use some WW2 cleaner my friend gave me to use after shooting corrosive ammo. I've never used soap and water to clean a gun.
     
  10. Old_Crow

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    I just take the head of the wand in the shower (mine pops off/on). Let the water get hot and give the mosin nagant a bath. Make sure to rinse the tub if you choose to do this, unless you like the woman in your life whacking you upside the head.
     
  11. Old_Crow

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    You mean all those inspections I passed after taking the M16 into the shower were gimme's? My DI lied to me? No it can't be true!
     
  12. Trez

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    Funny... I can leave my SKS for months without cleaning, and without ill affects..... (Another reason AZ rocks! :p )
     
  13. c3shooter

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    Trez- the SKS was made with a chromed bore to resist damage from corrosive ammo (except for some of the Yugos.

    The 91-30 was invented before chrome plating was. :rolleyes:

    And yes, your DI lied about taking the M16 into the shower- they were never supposed to have white glove inspections. (And did you know, if there is ANY dirt in a 16, you can pull the operating handle, and it will be in that little half moon cutout the handle slips into? :D )
     
  14. Old_Crow

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    I think the white glove inspections were a cheap way to force us to disassemble the M-16 beyond a normal field strip. It was peacetime, we never fired the rifles enough to have any malfunctions. The only way to train us well enough to be able to repair the rifles in the field was to play games. We kept the rifles so clean we had to lubricate the rifles to actually fire them.
     
  15. locutus

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    That's good leadership. Your rifle becomes a part of you. Cleaning it, and even repairing it is something you should be able to do blind folded.

    My old D.I.s always said:

    "Take care of your weapon, and your weapon will take care of you."


    BTW, C3 is spot on about the chrome lining in the bore and chamber. It's a shame they didn't figure out chrome until almost the end of the corrossive primer era.
     
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