Suggestions Please...

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Dillinger, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Okay guys - notdku was kind enough to set up the Knowledge Base for us here, and I think this is something desperately needed in the on line firearm world. I don't see a lot of other boards "giving away" information to the public. Everyone is more than willing to point out where you went wrong on a project, but we have a chance to turn this into a place where people can get good instructions, from qualified people, before they do something half-assed or unsafe.

    You guys out there all have some valuable knowledge - So how about sharing some of it?

    I want to see a list of suggestions on stuff that some members could put together that would be of use to other people. It would also be cool if a couple of the senior members would be willing to step forward and undertake one of the suggestions, or at least help co-author one.

    Here's a short list of what I would like to see -

    Reloading - We have some seriously sharp dudes on here that know a ton about home reloading.

    Scope Mounting - I can't imagine everyone here knows how to do it correctly

    Zeroing your new rifle - This could go hand in hand with the above

    Take Down and Cleaning of the AK line - Any SHTF situation that occurs is going to bring a bunch of those to a battlefield near you - How about a guide to picking up, cleaning it out and getting it ready for business?

    What do you guys think? Let's here some suggestions...

    JD
     
  2. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

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    This is a real good idea JD - many people out here have a lot of knowledge which can be harnessed and disseminated. I think that reloading is a bit different however due to the dangers and liabilities. Sources should be cited when advising about charge weights and procedures which could potentially be dangerous. Benign topics like scope mounting, sighting in, cleaning, glass bedding, bluing, etc. would be good starting points. Maybe a few like-minded members with interest in a specific topic could collaborate, edit, and proof-read eachothers contribution to produce a final version.
     
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  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    That's a really good point that I did not initially think of RL. Perhaps handloading should not be one of the first topics tackled in the Knowledge Base.

    Liability is definitely a consideration and should always be weighed. I certainly would never want to put anyone, or the website, at risk.

    JD
     
  4. RL357Mag

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    I think as long as valid data is given and sources mentioned there should be no problem. Personally I refer to the Sierra Manual several times a week for my own reloading questions, and have quoted from it several times on another forum - more to substantiate my post than to give advice.
     
  5. BigO01

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    I think it's basically a great idea JD BUT , as you and RL357Mag have been discussing for controlling reloading Data I suggest the source of such data must be given and that some willing members review it with the ability to remove it with reasonable restraints placed on their power .

    Some leeway must be made as newer reloading manuals have become more conservative than the older ones .

    Someone with say a 40 YO Winchester model 70 and a speer #6 manual may indeed be using a charge that is over a maximum for the newest #11 with a certain powder bullet combo .

    If one runs into such a case I suggest that the provider of data be required to submit a picture of the book , page and Data itself it came from for review or it be removed .

    I also suggest that it be insisted that "How To" posts be restricted to a legible form . Nothing is more frustrating than seeing a post that should be 6 + Paragraphs and it is one continuous sentence with misspelled words everywhere .

    Spell check programs are 100 % free and should be used by everyone .

    For technical information in order to save on bandwith , if it currently exists on the web especially with detailed pictures the source only should be given rather than reprinting it here on this site .

    An easy example would be 1911 trouble shooting and repair , there already exist many great sites for this purpose .
     
  6. G21.45

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    As far as reloading goes, some of the more popular forums won't allow you to post specific loads.

    Personally, out of many thousands of posts across numerous gun forums, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've stated the specifics of a certain cartridge. I mean, let's face it, there's plenty of other places on the internet to find load data and charts. 'Why' then stick your own neck out?

    Me? I don't think it's a good idea to give load specifics on the internet; and, on those occasions when I've done so, the information was always right in the middle of a well-known and published chart. (Like, the Speer or Hornady manuals)

    Telling people on the internet how to reload is one thing; telling them what to reload is another; and, never forget, there's bound to be some idiot out there who will swear that the load he blew his gun up with is the exact same load that he got from you! Am I right? ;)
     
  7. G21.45

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    Again, many internet forums require full credit by given to the original author and publisher of any work that's cited verbatim. 'Copy and paste' is a violation of, both, implied as well as formally copyrighted material.

    This, also, includes posts that you, or I write. If any of this work is simply, 'lifted' and posted again by someone else, then, the original author or the website from which it was acquired can file suit and go after your IP address. (Remember, no one on the internet is ever truly anonymous. We, only, think that we are!) :D

    I have occasionally referenced other people's work in some of my posts, but never without clearly stating both the author and source of the material. Ya got 'a be careful. ;)

    Ya know, after thinking about it, why not just, 'stickie' any of the posts deemed most useful at the top of their selected categories. That's what Glock Talk does; and, if this method is good enough for the 7th or 8th largest website in the world, then, it should be able to work here too.
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Well, I am not sure if that post above was intended for me or not, but let me categorically state that I write all my own material. I haven't 'cut & pasted' anything, other than from Word, where I wrote the project, to the website for posting. The posts I have put together for Rifle actions and the Build of the Lower Assembly were all put together by me, with my camera, and my own two hands. At the end of each project I listed my one, lone resource and that is my Master Gunsmith Brett Evans.

    Now that I got that out of the way....

    I need to be able to remove the reloading suggestion from the above post, after much further review I do believe that might not be the best idea given the reasons you all have pointed out. It would be something nice to have, but in retrospect, I think the liability is just too great. Which is a shame, because there are some truly knowledgable people here.

    As for what they do on other websites - Eh. If it works for them, great, but I personally don't want to be part of a website that is trying to be just like everyone else.

    We have a young website here that, I believe, we can all contribute too and really make it something. The Knowledge Base is a great platform for our growth, as long as it's done professionally and we don't go giving away illegal information.

    I am going to continue to add to that part of the forum - if others would like to contribute as well, I think that would be great because we have some really sharp people here. If not, well, that is their/your choice.

    JD
     
  9. opaww

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    Another thing to consider about reloading is that a load that works very well for your rifle may not be as good for someone else’s rifle. Sense all rifle are individual entities and got minds of their own. I have been reloading for almost 30 years and worked up good loads for my Ruger M77V .308 and they did not perform as well in my friends Rem. 700 in the same cal. just my observation on reloading
     
  10. RL357Mag

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    There is an abundance of Reloading Data available from all the powder manufacturers on the web. Perhaps information regarding "how to", "tricks of the trade (not short-cuts!)" , or product reviews (presses, dies, various powders, bullets, and other components) that do not carry liability issues could be used?
     
  11. G21.45

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    :) No, the above quote wasn't specifically intended for you. 'Why' did you assume that it was?

    Got 'a love a maverick!

    You're right, and know what? I'm just starting to appreciate that fact! ;)
     
  12. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    It was my thread, and I was the one that posted in the Knowledge Base. It's cool though - no worries...

    JD
     
  13. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    So, we had an issue at the shop recently that got me to thinking, perhaps some information needs to get out there.

    With the advent of the internet, a lot of people are shopping for guns, and supplies, and buying them to save money. Who doesn't want to save money, right? Well, recently an event transpired that was kind of odd - at least for us in the shop.

    Guy has a nice Remington 700 that he wants to upgrade the factory stock and get it glass bedded. Calls and gets the prices, then says he has the stock already and will bring it over. Turns out he ordered up a Bell & Carlson Synthetic, nice stock. He leaves it with us and after a couple weeks the bedding job is done and the guy comes to get it, pays his bill and off to the range he goes. No big deal. Right?

    Well, he came back in last week I guess and he needs a spacer put on the stock because it's the wrong length. Turns out the while the guy is about average height, about 5,-10", he has arms like an Orangutan! Now, he went by the normal chart and ordered the standard size pull, 13.50 inches, but he is EASILY two inches short.

    When we asked him how he measured for the stock length, he told us he had never heard of such a thing.....

    SOOOOooooooooo -

    Does everyone on here know how to measure the right size trigger pull for the correct fit on their rifle stock? Or is this something that needs to be written up for the Knowledge Base?

    Just wondering - as it was one of the first things I ever learned when I was doing research on building my first rifle, I thought it was pretty common...

    JD
     
  14. ScottG

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    I never think about that. I just buy the rifle if I want it, but then again, I've never had one customized. The only one that feels a little short to me is the M1 Carbine. I keep grazing my nose with my thumb when gripping the stock when it recoils.
     
  15. RL357Mag

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    That would be a good post JD. Like many I have never had a stock customized to my "Orangutan" arm length...LMAO..All kidding aside, I have heard of length of pull and "cast-off" & "cast-on" as regards shotgunning, but I wouldn't even begin to guess how to measure someone for the proper length of pull. I guess it could be critical - I know it's critical for archery where it's referred to as "draw length".
     
  16. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    You know RL, actually most people fall into the basic pull category, which is why stock makers have that nice, middle of the road, basic stock with a 13.5 inch pull. It's pretty standard for the masses.

    My personal trigger pull is a little bit longer than most, which is how I learned about it in the first place. I would guess that, in three plus years of playing around in the shop, I would be surprised if more than one person a month came in that needed a longer, or shorter, stock that didn't know it. Obviously the smaller guys are concerned about it from the start, but guys who are taller than average, and have been most of their lives, never think about it.

    I can do a write up on it, probably this weekend. It's super easy and it works for, probably, 96% of the people out there. The only people that wouldn't be able to size correctly are custom shooters who want a special spot weld on the cheek piece and guys who shoot benchrest competitively.

    I'll try to tackle it this weekend. It shouldn't be more than two pages and a couple of pictures really....

    Thanks for the feedback guys - I have become desensitized to this one lone issue and wasn't sure how pervasive it was in the collective.

    JD
     
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  17. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    I upgraded cpttango30 for his ammo loading write-up.

    Keep them coming! You don't have to be a guru to write an article. Just write on what you know or a project you are working on. Include pictures.
     
  18. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Congratulations to cpttango30! His piece on tumbling loaded ammo was well done and deserved to be moved to the Knowledge Base. This is something that has been coming up, around gun shops, stores and especially the gun range for years now.

    This was a nice piece that gave folks a chance to see for themselves what the effects would be if they did the same thing without knowing any better.

    Well done.

    JD
     
  19. CA357

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    I think this is outstanding. I'd like to contribute as well, but since I've only gotten back into shooting the last two years or so, I don't have any expertise to offer. :eek:
     
  20. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I beg to differ Sir. You have to realize that not everyone has your experience. Just this week I found out that not many people have been exposed to the correct way to gauge the correct length of trigger pull for a rifle stock. I thought this was common, because of the people I am around, but I was completely wrong. I think if you give it some thought, I bet there is a piece out there waiting for your pen and ink. ;)

    JD