Suggestions for 5.56/.223 home defense rounds?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by indyfan, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. indyfan

    indyfan New Member

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    I'm looking to keep a magazine of reliable .223/5.56 ammo in my new AR at home. What would you suggest for self defense ammo?

    My gunsmith just said I should buy soft point or something. I was wondering what brand I should buy as well and bullet grain, etc.

    thanks
     
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  2. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    I have a couple of magazines of Hornady TAP 75 grain HP. There are a few different tips for their TAP line.

    2 things, though:

    1) I've never trained on my AR inside in closer quarters, but I have trained on handgun and shotgun. I will NOT be going to my AR in a personal defense situation unless my shotgun has failed. I see my AR as an outdoor weapon.

    2) Penetration? That could be a real issue with the AR platform in home defense.
     

  3. CHLChris

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    That was really interesting, Talon. I've marked it for a second read in the future. To me, it was comparing handgun ammo/platform with centerfire rifle ammo/platform, though. And in a LE situation, too.

    I think I would still go first to handgun (cuz it is on my hip), then shotgun, and only then to my AR.

    But, fo' sho' YMMV.
     
  4. indyfan

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    The reason I want to make my AR a primary defense weapon for the home is that it's extremely accurate and for some reason I wouldn't feel overly confident picking up my G19 and searching around my house after I hear someone kick in my door.

    I do worry about piercing walls though. Maybe I should invest in a pistol caliber carbine.
     
  5. willfully armed

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    The most accurate rifle on the planet, might as well be a broomstick in the hands of an average citizen as a home defense weapon.

    I would never consider a rifle as a primary house gun. Unless your house has hallways and rooms the size of a schools.
     
  6. CHLChris

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    A pistol-caliber carbine is better than just a pistol, but if you're willing to have a stock, I'm still thinking shotgun.
     
  7. indyfan

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    That brings forth another question, who makes a decent pistol caliber carbine? Preferably one with a 30 round capacity...
     
  8. willfully armed

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    Olympic arms makes on that accepts glock mags. The one I shot didn't like 147 gr though.
     
  9. Black Talon

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    Due to the frangibility of jacketed hollow-point .223 ammunition (especially the lighter grain bullets), I would think the risk would be higher from the 9mm/.40 S&W carbine.
     
  10. red ryder

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    if you are worried about over penetration get a shotgun loaded with birdshot and forget it.

    buck, slug, rifle and handgun rounds will go right though walls. most handgun rounds will penetrate more than a .223 round as well.
     
  11. JonM

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    52 or 40 grain hp would pretty much eliminate over penetration issues. 12ga shotgun using bb shot is the ideal home defense load. even worse case but your gonna need a slow twist in the 1in12 range to prevent the bullet from disintegrating as it leaves the muzzle. a load of shot from a short barrel pump like a mossberg 590 goes unimpeeded out a open door it wont go throuh the neighbor's walls. slugs are poor SD home loads due to extreme overpenetration.

    with carbine pistol rounds your getting higher fps than out of a pistol so your actually getting more over penetration issues.
     
  12. willfully armed

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    Jon, I've personally shot a 40 gr vmax through 1/8" steel and two layers of 1/2" sheetrock.

    There's no magic weight to prevent overpenetration.
     
  13. Black Talon

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    Just my opinion but any AR round is a poor choice for inside the home defense. The sheer velocity of the round almost guarantees multiple wall penetration regardless of bullet weight. I have to cast my lot with the shotgun crowd on this one.

    If you are really uncertain about your ability to effectively use your handgun in a HD situation I would suggest some training and lots of practice. Don't make a poor choice in using the AR to compensate for inadequate handgun skills, fix the real problem.
     
  15. oldcrankyman

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    I'd just about prefer a baseball bat over a rifle for home defense. I've got a Mossberg 12 ga pump with full stock and cut barrel for in/near the house.
     
  16. doctherock

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    I wish I knew who made the rounds I bought. I picked them up at my dealer and they are .225 frangible rounds.
     
  17. indyfan

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    Back on the subject of pistol carbines...

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