Sub Machine Gun, why have one?

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by Gloves, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. Gloves

    Gloves New Member

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    What is the purpose of a personal/civilian sub machine gun *Pistol Caliber Carbines*?

    Excluding fun...
    Why would an individual buy a sub machine gun *Pistol Caliber Carbines*?
    I'm speaking legally so it can't be full-auto. (*w/o permits/tax stamps)
     
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  2. firedawg60

    firedawg60 New Member

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    I think legally you can own a FA with the proper paperwork. I would like to have one to say I have one. It would go through a lot of ammo really fast and could get expensive.
     

  3. Dillinger

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    I don't understand the question.

    Are you asking why a law abiding citizen, with money they earned by working hard, would want to spend that money on an Inalienable Right within this great land to own a weapon platform that is on par with that used by the military?

    Because that question doesn't make sense either.....:rolleyes:
     
  4. therewolf

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    It's for when you have too much money.

    BTW, let me be the first here to heartily

    welcome you to the

    UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

    How are you enjoying your visit ? ?
     
  5. JonM

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    my answer covers full auto.

    because police and military have them. thats the only reason needed. they should be readily available and cost no more than the semi auto ones
     
  6. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    It's kinda like asking why does someone buy a car that can go 145 mph when 65 is the fastest you can drive in NY is 65?
     
  7. mdauben

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    If its not full auto it's not a sub machine gun, it's a pistol caliber carbine. Someone might want that as a handy home defense weapon, an emergency long arm to pair with a sidearm in the same caliber, or a less expensive (than rifle caliber) plinker or target gun.

    As for why one would want an actual SMG maybe for self defense? Fun? Interest in historical military weapons?
     
  8. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You are asking one question and changin the parameters before you are done. By definition, a Submachine gun is full auto. To call a pistol caliber carbine an SMG is like calling an AR-15 an Assault Rifle. Two different animals entirely.

    Submachine guns are NOT illegal in most states. As long as the NFA paperwork is completed and Federal Tax stamp obtained, they are PERFECTLY legal!

    Why own an SMG? They are fun, nostalgic, and fun. They SHOULD be legal.

    Why owna pistol caliber carbine? They are fun, notalgic and more affordable than the full auto cousins.
     
  9. Gloves

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    Mdauben & Robocop10mm,

    I didn't realize they were called "pistol caliber carbines". I learned something new today.

    Agreed! but, the SMG isn't the topic (I know tax stamps and permits... the semi-auto is for the 99% of us)

    Per your points for Pistol Caliber Carbines
    • Fun
    • Nostalgic / historical
    • Affordable
    • Caliber matching (affordability/comparability)

    So a pistol caliber carbine is or isn't a good/the best for
    - home defense?
    - Sport?
    - Hunting?
     
  10. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Home defense? Why not? The higher velocity (from most ammo) can make a pistol cartridge more effective.
    Sport? What kind of sport? For informal plinking they are fun. Recoil is mild and muzzle blast is less severe than in 5.56
    Hunting? Maybe small game like rabbits and rats, sure.

    LE entry teams have all but abandoned the SMG for their work. Over penetration is more likely than with a frangible 5.56 and effectiveness on target is greatly reduced. The only common application for the SMG's is with suppressors.
     
  11. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I didn't know we needed a reason to own something.
     
  12. Gloves

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    I'm just wondering if i need one or if i just want one. :D

    As far as Home Defense, 12ga would be better i think.
     
  13. silverado113

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    I would agree. However, I don't "need" most of the stuff I buy anyways, I buy it cause I want it. Hence the boat, bike, expensive truck, etc.
     
  14. Overkill0084

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    Walk around your house. I'm sure you can find all sorts of things that you don't NEED. More still, if your married. I'd love to have a full auto Tommy Gun. But I certainly don't NEED one.
    As for home defense use, fraught with all sorts of different issues.
    Your local prosecutor might decide that it was some sort of malicious overkill, "You Monster! You shot that poor (18yo) child 25 times! He was just turning his life around..."
    Also considering that one will very likely be into full auto gun for well north of $10K, I don't think I would like seeing it confiscated as evidence. Even when found innocent of any wrongdoing, how many LE agencies in this day & age are going to be pleased with just handing it back to you? People with less... controversial guns sometimes have a heck of a time getting them back.
     
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  15. Dillinger

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    Open the Machine Gun Registry back up and the price of full auto weapons would be forced to drop as they are no longer pre-ban and rare, that would greatly help in ownership.

    On point of need versus want.

    You need air, water, food and sleep.

    You may want to have only the freshest air, cleanest water, Filet Mignon at every meal, a king size bed with 1200 thread count sheets and "female of your choice" to share it with. :rolleyes:

    I don't need a full auto Tommy Gun in .45 acp and 100 round drum mag. But there should be no legislation or government interaction stopping me from making that purchase should I decide to do so.
     
  16. Cory2

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    Pistol cartridges, believe it or not, do have advantages over intermediate and full cartridges. Less recoil, and in many cases more damage at close range. Plus, the ability to have a rifle in the same caliber as your pistol is an undeniable advantage, especially if they use the same magazine.

    Your question could be asked of any type of firearm though.

    They all have a purpose, even if that purpose is just fun.
     
  17. anm2_man

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    How about another point on why someone would own a Semi-auto subgun/carbine. Just about every subgun match (where people shoot to win - Trophies, prizes, etc) have different classes for semi vs FullAuto. Saying that if you want to compete and can't afford a FA subgun, you can still compete.

    I've seen 9mm AR's, Sumio M31's, etc. Just another reason to own one.

    :)
     
  18. PanBaccha

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    When police and military have them and just might oneday point them at us. It behooves the law-abiding citizens to par up. If one doubts the possibility of this, simply examine what the NDAA bill signed and made law by Barack Obama really, truly portends.
     
  19. Gloves

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    Remember, i'm not counting fun as a reason. That would go true for nearly any firearm.

    Thompson in .45 would be awesome to have for collector and nostalgia and possibly even an investment.
    Bretta Cx4 Storm ... ?

    Maybe I'm thinking along the lines of if someone is to buy their first gun,
    Is it practical for for a first/only gun? In my list of types to own, it is the last on my list to collect.

    Here is my list in order:

    1. 12 ga Shotgun
    2. Pistol
    3. Rifle (or Carbine)
    4. ... more of the above
    5. pistol-caliber carbine

    Completely impractical just for fun list
    1. Bow
    2. Cross-bow
    3. Black powder rifle or pistol
     
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  20. Overkill0084

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    I have a .45 CX-4 Storm standing by in the Master BR. But I typically have at least one handgun that is easier to access fast. The CX-4 is a lot of fun. Accurate & reliable as well. However one could safely argue that they are overpriced.