Stuck on my options

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by supaduparob, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. supaduparob

    supaduparob New Member

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    What's going on fellas I'm new to the gun scene and now I'm stuck personal first hand experience On these 2 hand guns are GREATLY APPRECIATED

    M&p .40c vs G27.40
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  2. ineverFTF

    ineverFTF New Member

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    Personally i wouldn't want a BLOCK

    But it all comes down to what feels better in your hand, and which gun you shoot better with.

    If you are making a cut and dry decision then i recommend the s&w m&p.
     

  3. gearhead396

    gearhead396 New Member

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    You'll have to go try them see if there's a range that rents near you. It's rely preference I carried a glock for a while and did not like the grip width and grip angle also I was inaccurate with it I now switch off between my 1911 and my ruger sr9c with 17rd mag though i prefer the ruger got rid of the g 30 by the way
     
  4. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    S&W

    Glocks have no safeties, end of story.
     
  5. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    Not a GLOCK fan. But anyway. '

    The S&W 990L has fewer safeties than GLOCK does. For you to shoot a GLOCK you have to try to shoot it, or be an idiot.
     
  6. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Didn't realize we were talking about the S&W 990L, wow how could I've missed that. What an idiot I am. Dang, guess you've got a great point there.

    Should I include the few reported incidents of cops accidentally discharging their guns on and off duty? Wana take a guess at what they were? Come on. I am a Glock fan, taking them for what they are, but I will never forgive them for lack of manual safety.
     
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  7. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    You're right, just saying.

    Please see my above comment. Cops can be idiots too. So can military, or civilians, or whatever. My brother was on his second day in Iraq for the second time, one of the gunners was clearing his M9 after coming back in the gate and shot my brother in the leg. Or the numerous accounts in the AD thread. Or the many people that have had NDs with any number of firearms, with and without thumb safeties.

    Like I said, gotta be an idiot, even if its just for a second.
     
  8. Olympus

    Olympus New Member

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    A compact polymer .40 is not my idea of a good time, but to each their own. My vote would be for the Glock.
     
  9. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Which any of us can and have been at some point in even our recent history (including more than just guns).

    Look, your comment was way too generalized and misleading to've had any validity here. My point was and always will be that a manual safety is that something extra which can help prevent such idiotic instances and avoid any unnecessary and unfortunate event from occuring.

    Practice doesn't make perfect, because we are human beings, sadly, which have an innate inability to be so. Its purposeful negligence to ignore this fact and I only forgive people whose job it is to serve and protect us, by putting their lives on the line, that choose to carry such a weapon on them. Anyone else does so out of pure thoughtlessness and entitlement.

    That said, I did make a major assumption here, as I don't believe OP said he/she was going to use this weapon for carry. So if I'm wrong there then I change my original vote, as the Glock rocks!!!
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I've always had trouble with the trigger guard on the Glock.
    My trigger finger would "scrape" the bottom inside of the guard and make it uncomfortable after 50 rounds.
     
  11. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    Hardly. The point is that anyone can be negligent with anything. That in itself is a valid statement. Once we realize this, and it appears that we both do, we mitigate the issue by knowing what we are doing. Yes anyone can have a slip up. But if you do it the same way every time, properly and knowingly, then you can not have an ND.

    I don't understand how you can say this for LEOs but not civilian carry.

    Me personally, I don't care for GLOCK. It just does not feel right in my hand and does not point well for me. And while I do carry a pistol with a thumb safety, I do not care for those that are overly small. When stress is high it is way to easy to miss it. Same reason I don't use the slide lock release when reloading.
     
  12. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Incorrect, no amount of practice can provide absolute assuredness that something wont go wrong. I've already addressed this, humans are fallible, this is not an opinion it's a fact.

    Another fact, anyone CAN be negligent with ANY firearm. I never once stated otherwise. However, the fewer the safeties the more the possibility for foul.

    Likelihood cannot be accounted for, too many unpredictable circumstances. Thus my point remains supreme, and even the most basic of logic would mandate that, circumstantial speculation aside (which you seem to fail to grasp), it would be purposefully ignorant and more negligent to disregard the value in the superiority of a manual, manipulatable safety as opposed to the lack thereof, in terms of being safe overall.

    It literally is as simple as a most rudimentary mathematical equation. There's that 1 more safety, not just in concept but tangible feature.

    Read your last statement, count the "ifs", too many for my taste, and I'd hope for others as well. However, just to help reading comprehension by simplifying as best possible, add a safety to the gun and you can help to remedy one of those.

    Now it is possible that one can forget to set a safety, but thats more of those circumstantial conjectures that have no place in this argument. At least it would be there, which is better than Glock can claim.
     
  13. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    For a man that uses so many words, you seem to fail to grasp them. Please read my previous post again and try to comprehend what I said.

    And please address the rest of my post.
     
  14. Gonzilla

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    Almost every military on the planet has some type of safety on their weapons (Austria -Being an exception) and there is a damn good reason for it. Murphy's Law reigns supreme and no amt of training can revoke this principle. Army's been trying to stop AD/ND since Valley Forge w/o success.

    Glock is not the greatest invention in the course of human history. It is a weapon's platform from the 80s that has its strengths & weaknesses. If you want to shoot lead or reloads just factor in another barrel. The 416 steel frame from Wolf does look like a promising upgrade but will not solve the safety issue.

    Comedians here on FTF often refer to it as the "Bugger Hook Hypothesis" which while mildly humorous, does nothing to solve the problem. If an active or passive safety could stop just one accident, wouldn't it be worth it ?
     
  15. B5Dan

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    M&P all the way out of these two. They both have that pointless thing on the trigger which means they are both less safe than something with a real safety, but that notwithstanding, the S&W just feels better. The little trigger safety doesn't care if it's your finger on the trigger or a shirt that gets inside the trigger guard when reholstering. The XD seemed a bit better as far as that goes...
     
  16. Doc3402

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    Within the last year I have owned both guns in question. I still have the Glock. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the M&P .40, but it just wasn't fun to shoot. It wasn't punishing, it stayed pretty much on target, cleaning was a snap, and it carried well. It just lacked personality.

    The Glock also is sort of blah, but it has a better sight picture, it hits dead on for me, and it's easier to disassemble for cleaning.

    They are both more than capable of doing what you need them to do, so I guess you should try to shoot both of them to see which one is a better fit for you.
     
  17. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

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    I have said it before, once more won't hurt a thing.

    I'll pay the shipping to take any unwanted Glocks off your hands and will provide them a safe, secure environment.

    OP: either pistol will serve its purpose, get the one you like best.
     
  18. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Except for the G36, Glocks dont fit my hand. I traded my G19 for a Ruger SR9c. The SR40c is the same size. Of the 2 the op posted, I would go with the Smith. Besides the Smith is made in the USA.
     
  19. JD1969

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    Neither are bad choices, but neither would be my first, or even fourth choice for several reasons. If you can swing it check out a Sig 229 or similar. You should be able to find a used one for a little more than your other choices. I'm not a fan of polymer, but I will say that both GLOCK and the M&P do what they are made to do (go bang).
     
  20. Eturnsdale

    Eturnsdale New Member

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    I too do greatly prefer the feel of metal and wood in my hand.