"Straw"/gift purchases.

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by TimL2952, Jan 15, 2011.

  1. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    Alright...My brother and I got to talking about this on the way home from the range today after seeing some of the older gents shooting their handguns.

    We have always wanted to shoot handgun competitions and we have both seen kids as young as 12 shooting in these tournaments....

    My question to all of you IS: Is it legal for my father to buy a handgun for me in order to shoot these competitions? Do I need to be a member of a certain club? Whose name would it be registered under? I live in NY by the way...so I'm not getting my hopes up.
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    You should recieve my bill for legal consultation in the next day or two. As always, we appreciate exact change, small bills. :p

    Here is Virginia, I can give a firearm to a member of my family as a bonafide gift, and have done so. You, sir, are in the wrong state. You need to research the laws of NY- including the ones that deal with permits, licensing, and registration of handguns.

    Brief summary for ya- What are the Gun Laws in New York?
     

  3. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    according to federal law, YES.

    YOu need to check with NY laws though.


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  4. Yunus

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    Check local laws and also I would see about contacting the people in the tournaments that you have seen who are clearly under 18/21 and find out if they know any laws you need to be aware of that you might have overlooked.
     
  5. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    thanks for the help guys...I know asking for legal "advice" here isn't always smiled upon with great acceptance :D
     
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    nothing wrong with asking for where to find actual legal advice. :)
     
  7. NoWayOut

    NoWayOut New Member

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    Hi, I'm very new here and have enjoyed reading the posts ~ thanks for sharing !
     
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  8. ninjatoth

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    It might be similar in NY as it is here in MI since we have to have our handguns registered also,but I don't know for sure.-Here,(excluding ccw holders)only the owner of the handgun may have it in thier possession or fire it exept if you are at a recognized shooting range and the owner of the actual handgun is present.It's probably not legal for him to buy it for you in a state that requires registration,but it may be legal for you to use it.
     
  9. knfxda

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    Get thee and your dad to a lawyer toot-de-suite! This is waaaaay to serious an issue to be looking for advice on a forum for. There's a whole range of possibilities and I don't think I've read any real legal advice on this board from an actual lawyer.

    I think anyone answering this would only be speculating.


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  10. c3shooter

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    What he said up there ^^^. This is a serious matter for you, F-I-L, and your Dad. If you have ever been convicted of a felony, and have not had your firearm rights restored by a court, you are looking at a Federal felony.

    This is WAY the hell too serious for gun buffs that are NOT ATTORNEYS ADMITTED TO THE BAR IN YOUR STATE to be offering advice.

    Other than this advice I will offer for free (usually I charge for it). Your post is what is known as an "Utterance against your own self interest". Posts that you make on an open forum CAN be used against you, your F-I-L, and your Dad in court. The first line of the Miranda warning is "The law requires that I advise you that you have the absolute right to remain silent." You just violated that.

    Two steps I would take if I were in your shoes.
    1. ANY question from ANYONE other than MY attorney would be answered as "I would like to speak with my attorney before answering any questions."

    2. I would go back to my post, and delete it.
     
  11. JonM

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    as an MP whenever i tossed omeone in the back of the patrol car in the silver cuffs i never spoke to them other than give directives for their safety such as watch your head as you get in etc. there is no requirement to read someone their rights unless your are interrogating them.

    lots of folks do what your are doing just ramble on about what they did without any prompting. its all admissable in court as a voluntary utterance just as C3 says. on arrival at the pmo (provost marshall's office) we would read them their rights make them sign off that they understood or did not understand and fill out the arrest report with initial offense list and the key area: everything the person said on the way over.

    often their own desire to yack was enough and i seldom had to appear as a witness arresting mp.

    its not entrapment and doesnt violate any rights as long as the MPs did not respond or engage in conversation. pretty much the same in civilian police world.
     
  12. willfully armed

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    Number one - you and your father are guilty of violating a federal weapons law.
    Both of you are common criminals and have no right whatsoever to own firearms.

    Number two- it is forever ingrained on the interwebz.... your admission or being part of that crime.

    The fact that the 4473 form that was filled out on the gun was destroyed in 2005, has little bearing now that you've typed your admission.

    Better lawyer up.
     
  13. HAVEGUN

    HAVEGUN New Member

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    Does anybody believe that load?

    What an incredible story, confessed here.
     
  14. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    There ya go Jim.
     
  15. NoWayOut

    NoWayOut New Member

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    Thank you for the response.
    By what you've written, the form 4473 is destroyed ~ so, there's no tracking this back to my father ?

    Thanks again for the feedback ~ sorry for imposing.
     
  16. knfxda

    knfxda New Member

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    I tried to PM you but you've exceeded your limit. You might want to edit your quote of NWO, now that NWO edited his post.
     
  17. willfully armed

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    I positively have zero intention of editing his quote. I quoted his entire post intentionally as to maintain a record of this criminal activity.

    Anyone else on here should be ashamed of the activity of the OP. maybe I should do a printscreen in case some Wiley mod decides to edit my post for me.
     
  18. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    tHe forum software maintains a copy of each edit. So you've only shielded your criminal activity from the users.
     
  19. Yunus

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    Quoted text isn't exactly a reliable source of information considering you can manipulate it to make it look like the person says anything you want it to. A printscreen only adds more chances for things to be manipulated. Besides this is the internet where every other new person is Rambo or a former Seal.

    If I were a mod, I would just delete this whole thread as it doesn't provide anything positive to the board in my opinion.
     
  20. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    woah woah woah....hang on here...OP refers to Original Poster or Creator of the Thread...that would be me....What the heck happened in here?