Stolen Gun ????????????

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by mudjunkie, Jul 18, 2011.

  1. mudjunkie

    mudjunkie New Member

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    I purchased a remington 30-06 from a local pawn shop early march , well last week it was taken by the police they said it was stolen and I would have to deal with the pawn shop to get my money back .
    Went to the pawn shop and they told me it was reported stolen right after I bought it ,, then told me they could not refund my money unless the police made them the first victum on a report or they would get in trouble by the ATF and I may never see my money back , Has anyone else ever had a problem like this .
    I mean they had all my info , I did the ATF paper work buying the gun everything cleared gun reported stolen after I bought it (Not by me ) And no one contacts me to tell me I have a stolen gun ( My son-in-law spent the evening in jail over this untill I could prove I bought the gun from a pawn shop)
     
  2. cddbrowns

    cddbrowns New Member

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    Sorry about this happening to you. Please see this thread though.

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f97/ftf-heads-up-warning-45429/

    I wish you luck in however this turns out.
     

  3. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I have heard this happening some times, but that is all I can say about it. Sorry you got took.
     
  4. 40calcliffy

    40calcliffy New Member

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    I would never buy a gun from a pawn shop due to the simple fact that is where the criminals go to sell off their stolen guns.
     
  5. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    But I thought pawn shops had to notify the police with the serial numbers to check to see if they were reported stolen before they could be sold. I would love to go to a pawn shop to look at guns but most of the pawn shops are in rough areas and I'm kind of afraid to go there alone.

    I was at the gun shop I frequent last week and was talking to the sales man. He said once someone came in and wrote the serial numbers of several used guns on display then went home and reported them stolen. The police came to the shop and confiscated the guns. The guns were then turned over to the guy who reported them stolen even though they were never his guns in the first place. Does that sound possible. This is a younger guy who told me this story and I'm not sure if he was just feeding me a line of BS or if that could be true.
     
  6. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    Hmmmm, big hole in story I think. :confused:
     
  7. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Be wary of good gun deals in pawnshops.

    Stealing is a very big business that often crosses state lines. About 20 years ago a crew of scumbags got caught transporting a tractor trailer load of high value stolen merchandise from OK into another state. The feds took the case and the scumbags got big prison time.

    Here in OK pawnshops and scrapyards often knowingly receive stolen property.
    When an obviously meth ravaged perp comes in with valuable property he is usually accomodated. The pawnshop owner gets the perp to sign a certificate of ownership and, he, the pawnshop owner; is protected. If you find your guns in a pawnshop here in OK, the only legal way to get them back is to buy them.
     
  8. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Could be. It sounded a little too simple to pull off to me, too.
     
  9. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Mudjunkie, i am not an attorney, but i think you might benefit from talking to one and from talking to the local police, at length. You may end up in civil court suing the pawn shop; the attorney (in your area) would be the one to ask.


    I have bought a few firearms from a pawnshop; i've never had any problems with stolen merchandise. If i saw a deal that was too good to be true, i would call the local PD & ask them if the gun had been reported stolen.
     
  10. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Here, the pawner gets a criminal charge for False Information to Obtain Credit. Second offense report is generated for this offense. Pawn shop gets restitution from pawner. Kind of sucks to get stuck in such a situation, especially when you spend the night in jail over it. Let the buyer beware!
     
  11. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Here in VA, the requirement is that the pawner be prosecuted and convicted for you to get money back, owner to get property back, etc. The pawnshop owner likely DID report the SN, but it had not been entered into the system- when it was, it popped on on the computer. IF it was not reported stolen until AFTER you bought it, your claim MAY be against the person that pawned it. However, I am not a lawyer, and MY legal advice is worth every penny you paid for it.
     
  12. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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  13. 40calcliffy

    40calcliffy New Member

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    Most guns that criminals sell to pawn shops shave off the serial Numbers so they can't be reported to anyone.
     
  14. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    The pawn shops here cannot buy a gun that the Numbers are missing and they have to check the status of the gun before they can sell it. If it is not in the stolen gun data base then it will not show up as stolen.
     
  15. 40calcliffy

    40calcliffy New Member

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    Thank you that is what should happen all over.
     
  16. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    ill ask who the previous owner was, why did they sell, try to get a history. i buy used and new. ill askk how long its been in the store stuff like that. if it sounds like a kid, homeless or goblin type sold it ill skip even if it is a good deal.
     
  17. 40calcliffy

    40calcliffy New Member

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    Smart move. Know the history before you consider it.
     
  18. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    No offense, but where did you hear this? A firearm with a visibly altered serial number might as well have STOLEN spraypainted on the stock. If i saw a modern firearm with no serial number, i would point it out to the staff and leave the store. Stolen or not, an altered serial number will get you trouble with the ATF boys.
     
  19. armoredman

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    Federal offense, and pawn shops with FFLs know this. It's not worth losing everything over a $40 pawn ticket. Pre '68 firearms may not have serial numbers, but it's still pretty rare.
    I can tell you at the pawns shops I go to, the serial number of the firearm is entered onto the pawn ticket while it is being generated, before the pawner has gotten any money.
     
  20. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    They don't have any cops working at that pawn shop, do they?:confused: