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a few months ago i posted on getting a new gun, i decided to wait to see if i could put a few more dollars back and look at other guns. well next week i'll get the gun and i have narrowed it down to two, its the stoeger couger 9mm or the taurus 65 in 357 magnum. i would like to know for my intended purpose which would be the overall better gun? i will open carry here in kentucky when i'm out walking where i live which is a rural area, and i'll be taking it in the woods hiking and camping. the biggest threat will be feral dogs or coyoties, with a possible black bear which is rare and a wild hog which is starting to be more numerous as several were killed last deer season, the two legged vermin are always a threat and hiking you don't know what you'll walk up on. there were couger tracks seen within 60 miles of me and a few people swore they seen the cat but the KDFW only confirmed tracks not the animal. as for coyoties and dogs, around here they are beginning to worry me. this past turkey season i had to kill two dogs that were a threat and a coyotie that came to my call dropped low and its hair stood up on its back and started snarling at me when i stood up to run it off so i wouldn't scare the turkeys. i had to kill it too, so which would be the best overall gun? i've handled both and they both fit my hand, thanks for any help.
 

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The taurus is the better gun imo. I have fired stoegers and taurus's and the stoegers felt cheap, and poorly made. The taurus revolvers certainly were not colts, but for a budget revolver they are great guns. One more thing if by some stroke of misfortune you run into an angry black bear or cougar a 9mm is gonna piss em off. A jhp 357 mag will drop em.
 

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Not a fan of Taurus myself. But I can't give you a first hand experience recommendation on the cougar. I do know that they are made on Beretta's old equipment that was purchased and moved to Turkey.

I'd consider a used Smith and Wesson .357 or even a used Smith and Wesson 9mm 39 series gun.
With good ammo the .357 isn't so seriously far ahead of the 9mm but it does have an edge. But my opinion is that most hangun calibers are compromises.
 

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Ive never shot any of Stoegers handguns, but i love their shotguns
 

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a few months ago i posted on getting a new gun, i decided to wait to see if i could put a few more dollars back and look at other guns. well next week i'll get the gun and i have narrowed it down to two, its the stoeger couger 9mm or the taurus 65 in 357 magnum. i would like to know for my intended purpose which would be the overall better gun? i will open carry here in kentucky when i'm out walking where i live which is a rural area, and i'll be taking it in the woods hiking and camping. the biggest threat will be feral dogs or coyoties, with a possible black bear which is rare and a wild hog which is starting to be more numerous as several were killed last deer season, the two legged vermin are always a threat and hiking you don't know what you'll walk up on. there were couger tracks seen within 60 miles of me and a few people swore they seen the cat but the KDFW only confirmed tracks not the animal. as for coyoties and dogs, around here they are beginning to worry me. this past turkey season i had to kill two dogs that were a threat and a coyotie that came to my call dropped low and its hair stood up on its back and started snarling at me when i stood up to run it off so i wouldn't scare the turkeys. i had to kill it too, so which would be the best overall gun? i've handled both and they both fit my hand, thanks for any help.
The Stoeger is my choice because of the rotating barrel. Less recoil means more accuracy
 

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with Taurus's hit or miss QC, personally i would pass on the Taurus. i say, and i own a Taurus revolver in 44 Mag., and it's a great gun but also an older one. i would pass on the Stoeger, because of the caliber. 9mm isn't near big enough for black bear or even a larger hog.

with not knowing how much you have budgeted, i would say to even look at a used revolver in 357 Mag. if you shop around you should be able to purchase a nice used Smith & Wesson or a Ruger.
 

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with Taurus's hit or miss QC, personally i would pass on the Taurus. i say, and i own a Taurus revolver in 44 Mag., and it's a great gun but also an older one. i would pass on the Stoeger, because of the caliber. 9mm isn't near big enough for black bear or even a larger hog.

with not knowing how much you have budgeted, i would say to even look at a used revolver in 357 Mag. if you shop around you should be able to purchase a nice used Smith & Wesson or a Ruger.
can't afford a used ruger or smith around here, a used gp 100 i found was $475 and a used smith was the same. that was at two seperate shops, i've called all shops in a 60 miles radius and none have any good used guns just the cheap companies. all well known well built brands are mostly new ones.
 

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can't afford a used ruger or smith around here, a used gp 100 i found was $475 and a used smith was the same. that was at two seperate shops, i've called all shops in a 60 miles radius and none have any good used guns just the cheap companies. all well known well built brands are mostly new ones.
well that is about the going price, as i seen a really nice Ruger 4" barreled GP100 for sale, used for $525 yesterday. you might need to do some more shopping around or save some more to get something that will serve your needs. as i said, with Taurus being hit or miss in quality, finding out it's one of the bad ones in a time of need, could have bad results for you.
 

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If someone gave me a Taurus I would sell it and buy a decent gun. I do have first hand experience with Taurus. I have owned two brand new. Both were defective. I will never buy another.
 

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Beretta owns Stoeger. The Stoeger Cougar is a very well made, all steel weapon. It is also offered in ,40 S&W as well as .45acp. You could do
a lot worse than the Cougar.
 

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Hey from one old fart to another ! I don't know about the current crop of Taurus, but I bought an older used one that worked just fine. I busted the rear sight, and Taurus fixed it for free under their lifetime warranty. That warranty doesn't just apply to the original purchaser. It applies to anyone who owns a Taurus. That model 65 looks nice. Wish it had adjustable sights like the model 66. You can get the model 66 in stainless steel for around $425 new.

Click here for a new one for $425.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/31325

Click here for a used one for $359.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411548216

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Beretta owns Stoeger. The Stoeger Cougar is a very well made, all steel weapon. It is also offered in ,40 S&W as well as .45acp. You could do
a lot worse than the Cougar.
i can get the couger in 40 s&w for the same price
if you can get the Stoeger Cougar in 40 or 45, i would definately go with it over the Taurus. as i said before, i own an older Taurus revolver and if it ever gives me problems, it will be sent in for repairs and then sold when returned. i will then replace it with a Ruger or a Smith. i do shoot some "healthy" loads in it, and so far has held up very well.
 

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If from what you have heard you are discouraged from taurus. Then try to get the stoeger in 45. Acp. And even then i would want to empty the clip into a bear or big hog. If you could find a used ruger vaquero( sorry if spelled wrong) i have seen them for 350-400 not a blackhawk, but still a ruger and you have a revolver which is almost always more reliable imo and you can get the vaquero in 357. Mag
 

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Given the choices the OP actually stated, I would definitely go with the Taurus .357 Mag. I own dozens of Taurus firearms and have owned many more, and they have all been fine. I have also owned S&W's with problems, but haven't sworn off the brand. The .357 is a more versatile choice, IMO, for your stated purposes. Good luck in your selection.
 

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The Stoeger Cougar 9mm and .40 S&W are the same price. The
.45 acp (8045) is about $50 more. My local Academy has the
Stoeger 9mm/.40 for $399 and the .45 for $449.

Stoeger Cougar .45acp:

 

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i will have a chance of seeing a bear or hog but the chances are remote. my biggest threat is a rabid coyote or pack of dogs and the 2 legged pot growing or meth labbing human. are the taurus revolvers that bad as most claim? a good 9 or 40 is better than a bad 357, and these two are i can afford if i want to be armed. thanks
 

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The Taurus .357 is generally ok. The quality control is hit or
miss. You might not have any problems and then again you might.
Of course this can be said of other manufacturers too. I wouldn't
trust my life to a gun unless I was certain I could depend on it.
 

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I have a Stoeger 8040 Cougar in .40 S&W. It is great! Accurate, dependable, and a good size/weight to carry in an environment where the likely threat is from people, or dogs, etc. But for bears, i wouldn't trust it to get enough penetration to be adequate. If the choice must be between the Stoeger or a .357, I'd choose the .357. But for bears, even that is marginal. Maybe a .44 mag would be better.
 
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