Still Hunting for my first 1911...

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by feedsasquatch, Sep 10, 2009.

  1. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    So, I'm still hunting for a 1911. I thought I wanted a Kimber CDP or Ultra Carry, but the more I hear about rust problems (and not just on this forum) the more I hesitate. I'm also hesitant because I don't know what I think about aluminum frames compared to steel ones as far as longevity is concerned.

    So, here's what I'm looking for:

    - Concealed Carry 1911: I'm 6'2", 130lbs (swimmer in highschool...), so concealing isn't easy. 3" OR 5" barrel? I'm leaning towards 3"...

    - $800-$1000 (not a penny more)

    - Steel slide, not aluminum (I'm planning on shooting it a lot)

    - Preferably American made, with a life-time warranty.

    - Not a Kimber, I'm getting scared of rust stories...

    - A good IWB holster to conceal it.

    I've looked at a couple Springfields, but wasn't impressed with them. They seemed really, rough (slide, safety, mags, etc). I'm not familiar with any other companies to be honest...
     
  2. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    I'm looking at getting into a 1911 in the near future as well. Kimber was at the top of my list, now they're no longer a contender.

    It seems a lot of gun shops have a hard time getting ahold of too many sub-5" 1911's. If you're looking for something more compact and under $1000, the first options are probably Springfield, Colt, and S&W. If you can find them, I believe they all make 4.25" models for around $900. SW1911PD's are supposed to be pretty decent. And you might be able to find a similar Sig 1911 for about $100 more.

    Taurus makes nice "bang for your buck" 1911 in the $600-800 range, but to my knowledge they're not yet making any compact versions.
     

  3. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Have you considered a Dan Wesson 1911? They are made up of alot of Ed Brown parts.

    I don't see anything wrong with the stainless kimbers. I prefer the 4" though. :cool:
     
  4. JoshX3Magazine

    JoshX3Magazine New Member

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    It doesn't EXACTLY fit your requirements but I'm five foot eight, 180 (gonna find some way to get you for that 130 pound thing I swear...) and I can pretty easily conceal my Colt Commander. It's a 4.25inch barrel and I love it.

    Just kinda puttin' that out there...
     
  5. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    Looking over your list, a question first - I assume you mean steel frame vs the steel slide you indicated. My experience (and some close friends) with the very short barrel (3 1/2 and less) has been less than stellar. These really short barrel 1911s tend to be much more finicky. Personally, I won't own anything smaller than true Commander sized.

    I'm also not a huge fan of the bushingless bull barrels that a lot of makers use on their short 1911s - I prefer the traditional bushed barrel. My recommendation, from experience, is a Colt Commander. This fills the bill in the requirements you listed and is probably the best value right now. I bought mine NIB for $695 + tax a few months ago. The best thing about a Colt is they really don't depreciate at all and it's simple to get your money back if you decide the 1911 platform isn't for you.

    You may have to shop around to find one as Colt doesn't build them a zillion at a time...

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  6. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    NGIB, sorry, yes, I meant steel "frame", not slide, as compared to aluminum... I'm starting to wonder if the people who recommend the 3" models to me are people who don't shoot theirs often, and just carry them. Since both Colt and S&W have 4 1/4" barrel models, I'll have to start keeping my eyes open for them. Is Colt superior to S&W, or is it just a "traditional" name? I think Bud's Guns has a S&W commander-sized 1911 for around $865 right now...

    Question, does a "blued" finish rust any faster than stainless steel?

    Gojubrian, I wouldn't know the first place to look for a Dan Wesson around here, there are barely any Kimbers as it is...

    Sweeper, I like Taurus, but it's too big for concealed carry. But I'll probably get one some day to replace my Glock 23. Also, I don't care for Springfield's 1911's, they really rough mechanically compared to other brands. I'll have to start looking at S&W and Colt.

    Well, wish me luck on finding a Colt Commander or S&W commander-sized 1911 here in Louisville!
     
  7. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    I have a S&W 1911 as well and it's a fine gun. Mine is a full-size but I have shot their Commander sized gun and it's very nice. A Colt will always be a Colt so it's always going to have an edge if the price is the same. Also note that S&W 1911s use an external extractor - it works great it just deviates from the true 1911 "standard".

    While stainless can rust, it's much more resistant that a blued gun.

    Dan Wessons can be very hard to find and don't expect any break on the price as they sell VERY quickly. A CBOB is a fantastic gun but you almost never see one on the shelf at the store...
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    'Squatch - I would agree with NGIB.

    For your criteria, I would look at a Commander sized frame, that will give you a pistol with about a 4.25" barrel.

    My T3 is a great carry weapon and it shoots very well.

    Before that, I had a Kimber Raptor II from their custom shop and it shot very well also.

    Now, neither of those are in your price range I am afraid, but that sized weapon is good for shooting, good for concealment and it also has enough meat on the weapon to help tame the recoil.

    All my 1911's ( except for my .22 ) are steel frame and steel slide. I don't like running Steel on Aluminum, but that is a personal opinion.

    I used to think Kimber was still making a good product, but lately I am questioning that recommendation.

    I think Colt makes a good weapon, but I think you are paying for a name more than the weapon itself. If you are Colt nutcase, like Cane, that is fine, but for me.... *eh*

    Springfield is one of those companies that I just never warmed up too. I really like their TRP line, I thought that was a good, well built and quality weapon, but the price was just over the top.

    S&W makes a good quality 1911, but again, you have a certain price range that is pistol and then there is the name brand extra pricing that is added to it.

    Dan Wesson is a good choice, but you need to REALLY look at the weapon as not all the internals are top notch parts. A few mild changes to dump any MIM parts would be easy enough and lead to a damn fine weapon though.

    Same thing with Para and a couple of other companies. Their low end priced models feature MIM parts on the inside, and for a carry weapon, for me personally, that is not something I am willing to risk...

    Good luck..... Keep us posted.

    JD
     
  9. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Ah man, I didn't see any pics of S&W 1911's from the other side, so I never noticed that it had an external extractor; that thing is ugly:eek:

    So, now that I've established that I'm shallow enough not to buy a S&W simply because of an external extractor, that leaves me with Colt, and Para that fit with my budget.

    Dillinger, what does "MIM" stand for? And what are these parts that I'm need to "look out for" and possibly replace?
    Nighthawk is WAY over my budget, but Kimber is close (budget wise, not quality as of late). I just can't afford that right now...

    NGIB - what does "CBOB" stand for? And I think I'm going to go with stainless steel in whatever platform I go with.

    This 1911 journey is taking me much longer than I originally anticipated. I go from a Glock 23, to wanting a 1911, to coming within days of buying a Kimber Ultra CDP, to now looking at a Colt Commander. Decisions, decisions...
     
  10. ccr203

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    If you are going for a carry weapon, I recommend the Colt Defender. This is just one man's bias opinion, but mine has never failed me. Every maker has their own issues, and anyone can get a lemon.
    The defender is a solid weapon, or any Colt for that matter.
    This is mine and I love it.

    Some may say its like Ford, Dodge and Chevy, but this is my opinion and I trust my life to it.
     

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  11. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    It's not so much the name, it's the size. I've heard from more than one person on more than one forum that sub 4.25" 1911's don't hold up as well over time as the bigger ones do. It makes sense to me, mechanically speaking. I just wish Colt Commander's weren't so hard to find these days. If I could just SEE one and HOLD it I'd be much more inclined to get one probably...
     
  12. lonyaeger

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    check this out:

    Defender Series 90 Lightweight 45ACP - Auction: 9326180 (Ends 09/17/2009, 12:26:20 PST)
     
  13. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    For $650, that is a good price for the Defender!

    COLT Defender, get it!

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  14. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    MIM = Metal Injection Molding

    A really big company that produces a ton of MIM parts is a company called BUL out of Israel.

    Now, there are a ton of people who will tell you that MIM parts are just as good as good old American metal parts, but I, personally, disagree.

    A MIM part can, and has been seen, to just up and break. They have a stress-up ramp that is quite short. Slight stress=A lot of stress=breakage.

    Common MIM parts in a "budget" 1911 are the: slide stop, thumb safety, extractor, and the hammer. Unfortunately, each of these critical components, and if any one of them breaks, your 1911 becomes an expensive club.

    Personally, I won't carry a 1911 with MIM parts in it for self defense, but that is because of mine own paranoia. :eek:

    JD
     
  15. NGIB

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    JD, it's only paranoia if they're not really after you...
     
  16. ccr203

    ccr203 New Member

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    I can understand that completely.

    I shoot my Colt Defender regularly or ay least I used to till 45 ammo got scarce here in my part of the country. The Defender was a good fit for me, size, budget, and reliability.

    It may not be for you, but finding some at your local gun stores and physically holding them is the best start.

    Good Luck in your search and when you finally find your 1911, please posts some pics and a range report!!


    Chris
     
  17. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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  18. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    Sure, I understand that, but most reputable dealers have a policy like this one does:

    The Seller is required to give the Buyer a minimum of three days to inspect any firearm sold through Auction Arms. See the Auction Arms Terms and Conditions for details.

    It's on their website.

    Anyway, just an FYI. Hope you find what you're looking for.
     
  19. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Oh, I didn't see that. So that's something that the auction website holds the seller accountable too? If so, maybe I'll rethink "steel frame only" for my concealed carry piece...