Still confused

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by clr8ter, Mar 20, 2011.

  1. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    I'm interested in building an AR-15 starting w/the lower reciever, and adding parts over time. I have a couple of specific questions I have had a hard time finding the answers to.

    1. I'd like all the visible parts to match in finish & color. (Matte Black) This points to buying all of them from the same manufacturer, at the same time. Am I wrong?

    2. Where might be a good place online to go to get this stuff? I have looked at Brownell's Gun Builder several times. I remain unsure about my choices, and what I should be paying. (I kind of like the look of the original M-16, but with the flat-top w/picatinny rail)

    3. I'm interested in an average gun. Nothing too fancy. What parts will fit the bill? (Feel free to suggest specific parts.)

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Don't get hung up on cosmetics over function. You can always paint whatever you put together that works well for you.
     

  3. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    bkt is right, cosmetics is the last thing to worry about, just build a good rifle. But if it really matters to you that major components match in color/finish then you might want to buy a factory complete AR. Even parts from the same manufacturer vary from batch to batch so you could build a rifle with parts from just one manufacturer yet have different color and finish. The manufacturer has an advantage here since they have lots of parts and can make some attempt to match parts that are close in finish.

    As far as which parts to get I think you need to give this more thought. What are you going to use the rifle for? How accurate, which caliber, which barrel profile/weight, stock/grip/handguards/rails, etc.?

    To me the ideal AR is a 16" lightweight profile midlength 1:7" barrel, flat top receiver, M4/MOE/CTR style stock and MOE handguards. You might want to look at something like that and of course move in the direction you ultimately want to go. Take a look at some of the build threads for more info - and good luck!
     
  4. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    I consider BCMs lightweight mid length uppers a great place to start.

    As far as furniture color sticking to the same manufacturer is a safe plan. The same for the recievers, though you may have slight variation. In that case purchase a bolt action and have someone carve you out a nice piece of wood, :). Just playing. I wouldnt get to wrapped up in color matching.
     
  5. Tommy34

    Tommy34 New Member

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    Get it to work well on command then paint it

    building an AR is fun and when you buy kits sometimes they well have substandard parts in the fire control group or in the many springs and pins that they put in a kit so you will have to swap them out just do your research and ALWAYS keep the basic components mill spec that way you can find parts when you need them instead of having to replace an entire half of your gun just because a fly by night gun mfg goes out of business and quits making that nifty idea they had. Ive had to do that once and its not cheap. Take your time make it work right then disassemble it than paint it or durra coat it and you will be fine. ive found that most ar's finish is the same anyway
     
  6. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Quentin: 5.56 Cal, mostly for plinking now, also as a SHTF gun, lighter weight overall, 16-20" Barrel, average accuracy @ 200 Yds, I sort of like the original M-16 look, but definately flat top w/picatinny rail, scope in the future, but iron sights for right now.

    As far as the finish & color from one manufacturer, there should be no excuse for parts made at about the same time not to very closely match.

    As far as painting it, why would I pay for something to have a finish put on it, and then cover it up with spray paint? And, if you were to go buy a car, and the paint one the fenders & hood didn't match, would you buy the car? I doubt it. If it's something that HAS to be to build a gun, so be it. I still think it would look retarded.
     
  7. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    clr8ter,

    There are several good companies out there that make every effort to produce lowers and uppers that match. I have built several from Rock River Receivers some a couple of years apart between the production of the lower and the upper I used. I can not detect any difference. One reason is they hand polish and then bead blast all of their receivers and then do the anodizing themselves with the same process and specifications. Might cost a little more than some of the others but if the finish is very important to you as it is. I would give them a look!

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  8. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    clr8ter, please reread my post, I never suggested that you paint it.
     
  9. Tommy34

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    Wow the whole snotty paint thing was just not cool if your that stuck up about how your gun looks instead of if it can save your life then well you need to re prioritize things and I was just giving a suggestion to your question that you asked I might add and if you want to just post rude remarks to your questions then don't ask. You can always tell a veteran because they pick up a weapon and look at it as to think of how comfortable to sleep with weather than how pretty she is
     
  10. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Worrying about color matching the upper and lower receivers on a rifle designed for combat is, well, you know...
     
  11. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Quentin - I know YOU didn't say paint it. Didn't mean to imply that. To the guys that DID say paint it - You go paint yours, that's fine for you, I'll color match mine, that's fine for me. I might not be into mine for much more, or any more $, and it'll look better. Who says that something that might save your life has to look crappy? (MY opinion.)
     
  12. PTsouthpaw

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    A lot of quality manufacturers' finishes match pretty closely to one another. I have a Bushmaster Upper on an RRA lower. When I first got the upper it seemed MUCH darker than the lower receiver. I put a couple coats of oil (let it soak in, and oiled again) on the lower, and it became obvious that the upper had been oiled before shipping, while the lower receiver was pretty much bone dry. Now they match almost perfectly. YMMV.
     
  13. diggsbakes

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    To the OP:

    Focus on function first. It doesn't matter what your rfile looks like if you can't get it out to play.

    Get something that fits what you want to do with the gun and go for it.

    Fit and Color should match with in makers, but I also have several receivers from different manufacturers that match perfectly as well. The last thing you need to be worrying about on your first AR is a freaking paint job. :rolleyes:
     
  14. 556plinker

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    If aesthetics/cosmetics are a concern you can buy the dura coat shake and spray for 29$ in a single color and have everything match. I plan on doing that with my build. Watch the video on the dura coat website and this will no longer be an issue allowing you to value shop your various components. I'm with the group on function first
     
  15. Quentin

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    If it really matters to you then I'd suggest first buying the upper you like the best (highly recommend BCM and Daniel Defense) and taking it to the LGSs and choose a stripped lower that matches.

    If that doesn't suit you then you could go in all your LGS and handle every AR in town. Take pictures to remember the finishes, write notes then have a fighting chance of getting different receivers to match. (And while you're handling all those guns you'll get ideas for your build.) Also look at the sticky with various lowers for some ideas.

    My first build, the S&W lower was deep black, satiny and smoothly polished while the ArmaLite upper was rougher, definitely more like a military gun. It was obvious they were mixed parts but the rifle was 100%. I'll admit it bugged me a little but once you smeared on oil most people who picked up the rifle wouldn't pay much attention to it.

    When I started my second build I found an ArmaLite stripped lower for a good price and figured why not since I loved the rollmark - and it does match the ArmaLite upper very well. And I got lucky with the Daniel Defense upper, it's a perfect match to the 2.5 year old S&W lower.

    Anyway, I am glad to have the receivers match but in the scheme of things it's pretty low on the scale when your goal is a well designed, reliable AR.
     
  16. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Nobody said it had to look "crappy." I like my ARs to look nice and I believe they accomplish that task very well.
     
  17. WoodysKJ

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    To quote and old dead architect....."Form Follows Function"

    Meaning that the outward appearance of what ever you are building should follow it's intended use. Build it and then worry about how it looks, bet ya it winds up looking pretty good.
     
  18. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Sullivan Wainwright said, "form ever follows function."
     
  19. WoodysKJ

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    Frank Lloyd Wright
     
  20. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    Correction to my post - The guys name was Louis Sullivan, Wainwright was one of his buildings.

    Wright was an apprentice of Sullivans. I imagine he coined his phrase from Sullivans, "form ever follows function." The exterior form of the building shows its interior function.
     
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