Steel vs Brass

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by MrRecon1, May 4, 2012.

  1. MrRecon1

    MrRecon1 New Member

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    Hey guys I was looking for some advice for whether I can use steel cased ammo in my AR....I heard that brass is the best because steel damages the rifle....thanks!
     
  2. Alwayscarrying

    Alwayscarrying New Member

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    Steel should be fine. The you may experience FTF and FTE's with the lacquer coated stuff. Just try it and see. What are the specs on your rifle?
     

  3. Woody

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    Ive always been told that steel case ammo tends to break extractors and at best wears them out faster so I avoid It in my AR and semi auto handguns But my SKS eats it liked extra butter popcorn at a double feature movie lol
     
  4. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I've heard that brass runs through the gun a little easier and smoother than steel, but either one should work fine.
     
  5. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You may indeed wear out extractors faster with steel.

    BUT, if you save $50-$75 per thousand rounds on ammo cost, how many $5 extractors can you buy????:p
     
  6. Viking

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    I've had one person tell me to avoid the lacquered steel cases due to residue build up in the chamber. On the other hand Silver Bear ammo steel cases are zinc plated and as well the powder seems to burn very clean. I had one round that had a pierced primer out of a box of 20. Personally I think I would just use this ammo as a last resort in case of a SHTF scenario. Mini 14 extractors are tough but I suspect that steel cases would tend to abuse them much more than brass cases.
     
  7. fsted2a

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    I use both in my AR with no problems. Most of the people who have issues with steel have tier 3 or worse guns.
     
  8. lbwar15

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    Stay away from the lacquer coated stuff. I've ran still and it works fine. I had a problem with the lacquer stuff. After about 15 rounds a live round got stuck in the chamber when I tried pulling the charging handle to eject it. Probley due to a buled up of lacquer after the first 14.
     
  9. locutus

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    I've used thousands of rounds of lacquer coated ammo with no problems of any kind.

    If you think the lacquer will melt, try using a blowtorch on a fired case. It will eventually burn, but not melt.

    I don't know where these old wives tales about steel cased ammo came from, but they're just that. Old wives tales.
     
  10. lbwar15

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    I dont know. Everything works fine even steel it's just the lacquer that gives me problems. Even if I haven't fired it and I just load up a mag and work the action it gets stuck. I got to snatch on it a few times to get it out. Maybe I should try some other brand. It has all bin the same kind of lacquer ammo.
     
  11. fsted2a

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    Probably has more to do with the gun itself than the ammo. I use to bumpfire a lot, and never had a problem with steel ammo, laquer or not. I have a feeling that some of the guns out there are .223 chambered, not 5.56, which some people will tell you are the same, but the .223 is slightly tighter, which makes for more malfunctions than any difference in ammo. My AR will shoot brass or lacquered steel just fine. My take is there are shooters out there with the .223 barrels who are having fits with their guns, and blaming it on the ammo.
     
  12. lbwar15

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    Well I'm not one of them my gun clearly says 5.56 on the barrel. The 5.56 has a higher presser than the .223. And the ammo I used was .223. I'm not one to usually blame the ammo but in my case there is realy no other explanation. The lacquer is extremely thick on the kind I used mush thicker than normal. That's most likely the reason.
     
  13. sputnik1988

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    I've found that lately, I actually prefer steel cased, since I dont reload anyway.
     
  14. lbwar15

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    Just found out by carefully measuring a round out of the same box of ammo that the lacquer was applied to thick to the casing during production. All the other lacquer ammo is fine.
     
  15. fsted2a

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    You might be right. I have heard of a few cases slipping through that had enough lacquer to actually change the specs. I just take it with a grain of salt most of the time when someone says an AR won't shoot the stuff, cause a lot of us can shoot thousands of rounds of the stuff a day without incident. Most of the cases where someone has a problem with steel, there is a malfunction of the firearm as the root cause. Course, anyone can have a batch of bad ammo.
     
  16. lbwar15

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    I sent my m&p to s&w and had it checked and I took it to a shop close by. They all said it was the ammo. And all the other ammo lacquer or not works just fine other than that I have never had a ftf. I measured the other rounds in that box and some in another box I got at the same time and they wear to big.
     
  17. MikeJK

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    There needs to be a simple sticky at the top of every sub forum dealing w/ firearms. It should simply state, STEEL CASED AMMUNITION HAS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT, STUPID.

    Edit: as narrated by Randall
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2012
  18. locutus

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    Several years I got into a rather heated discussion with an acquaintance about MilSurp ammo in general, and steel in particular.

    After much discussion, I finally found out that his objection was that it wasn't American made, and as a good labor union man he wouldn't have any part of ammo that wasn't made by American union labor regardless of the cost.

    I wonder how much of that comes into play in the discussion on these threads.:confused:
     
  19. lbwar15

    lbwar15 New Member

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    Humm. This was not directed to me was it.
     
  20. lbwar15

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    Not in my case. I have more Tula than I can count. Just got a 500 round spam can of it the other day.