Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by JetDriver, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. JetDriver

    JetDriver New Member

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    I am concerned about something and perhaps someone can clarify for me.

    As I understand, the "Stand Your Ground" legislation in FL is now under attack. I read an article that postulated about the potential for lost of Castle Doctrine in states supporting it, should the SYG law be struck down.

    Is this even remotely possible?

    Now, couple that with the resident's renewed push for gun control, I can see many socialists rubbing their hands together gleefully.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I think that is exactly the reason this trayvon case was made so prevalent. Never let an opportunity go to waste.
    Yes the laws can be revoked, will it happen, I don't know.
    To the best of my knowledge you still have a duty to retreat in my state.
     

  3. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    I certainly hope not. But I'm sure the gun grabbers will try to use it as an opportunity.


    Unfortunately my state has "become a victim" and "must flee" laws.
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    This seems to me to be some sort of "What if....?"

    Florida has provided surprises before.

    I would prefer to wait and see before getting my dander up.
     
  5. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    I'm certain the gun grabbers are rubbing their hands together with glee over this and they would love to overturn SYG and Castle Doctrine laws everywhere...

    ...but they are dreaming.

    The Nation is headed in a different direction and has no interest in going back to the 1970's... a time when vigilante movies like "Death Wish" staring Charles Bronson were #1 in the box office because EVERYONE could relate to the fear of being at the mercy of violent criminals.

    ...and if Sandy Hook could not pull the wool over they eyes of Congress... I highly doubt the current "pity party" for a violent instigator like TM is going to get it done. ;)

    Tack
     
  6. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The thing the gun grabbers are deliberately ignoring is that Zimmerman was not standing his ground. He was attempting to leave when he was attacked according to the trial. He fired because he could not flee, was being beaten and was in fear of his life.
     
  7. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    So... you're saying the other side in refusing to let "inconvenient facts" get in the way of their narrative? :eek:

    Like I said in another thread... I choose to live with peace in my heart and protection on my hip... and should a self entitled criminal choose to attack me, his consequences will be of his own making. :cool:

    Tack
     
  8. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I doubt if SYG will be overturned in Florida. There are more than a million Concealed Weapons Licensee's here and that number grows every day. Not to mention millions more who own firearms. Comparatively speaking, Florida is pretty gun-friendly.

    And just to be clear...the vast majority of firearms-related murders here are young urban guys killing other young urban guys over drugs, women, gang turf, or in the process of robbing convenience stores. And very few of those shooters had an FDLE BG check when they "acquired" their firearm.
     
  9. davva360

    davva360 New Member

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    What drives me nuts is the ignorant masses and the way the politicians manipulate them like drugged sheep. Stand your ground was not even a part of the Zimmerman trial. The defense waived the stand your ground hearing. He was cleared by reason of self defense as juror B-37 stated last night on the Communist News Network. Zimmerman feared for his life, the jury believed he was the one screaming, justifiable homicide. Case closed.
     
  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It won't work.

    BUT it may have a chilling effect on getting SYG laws passed in any of the other states. Only 11 states, mostly in the deep south have SYG now. Even here in Wyoming, with a very conservative population and strongly pro-gun legislature, we can't even get SYG out of committee. "Duty to retreat" is so totally ingrained in the people, it wouldn't even pass on a ballot initiative.:(

    Even our "Castle Doctrine" law is weak compared to Florida.:(

    Yet we can carry openly or concealed without a permit.:confused:
     
  11. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    It is just another gun grabbing scheme like JTJ referred to. The Stand Your Ground Statute does not even apply to the Zimmerman case. This because it was self defense after Trayvon attacked him and was hitting his head upon the sidewalk. It had nothing to do with the rule concerning stand your ground. Once you are physically attacked it is no longer a stand your ground issue at that point.
    Deadly force rule is basically as follows. If a person reasonably believes that he or she can or is in fear of serious bodily injury or death deadly force is warranted. If someone had overpowered me and was hitting my head on the concrete there would be little hesitation on my part as well. As the old saying goes I would be the one planning on going home for supper! It was a terrible situation but if Martin would have talked to Zimmerman and not attacked he would be alive today and the communities would not be in turmoil! Bottom line it was self defense. I can not help it that the Libs do not understand the law. But the law is the law with all emotion removed.

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  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if i'm not mistaken, and please correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't the SYG provision involve a person unlawfully invading your space, (home, car or workplace) and allow you to defend yourself without being obligated to retreat? if so, then what happened to Zimmerman wasn't a SYG case but one of self defence.
     
  13. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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  14. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    He does not like the Constitution either. He believes he is the law and does not have to obey the law unless it suits him and his boss.
     
  15. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    So he wants us to be a giant nation of wussies who aren't supposed to fight for ourselves and our property and instead, run and hide? Well sir, to you I say, and I quote Independence Day..."Up Yours!!!"
     
  16. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    Hell we got gun owners on this forum that don't like it either. Go figure.
     
  17. Mason609

    Mason609 New Member

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    Pretty much, but also can include out in public.

    However, even IF this happened in a non SYG state (like mine), Zimm was unable to retreat, due to the fact that he had 160 pounds straddling and beating him. Kind of hard to retreat in that situation.
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i agree and just wanted some clarification on the SYG stute. thanks Mason.
     
  19. Mason609

    Mason609 New Member

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    No problem. Now, I'm no expert on SYG, but from what I have been able to find (as well as info from a few lawyers I trust), SYG does vary between states and those variations are generally slight.
     
  20. jimogden1984

    jimogden1984 New Member

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    Seems like he's more worried about making things easier for minorities than what's good for the country as a whole. I'm all for equal opportunities but special treatment for any group of people shouldn't be part of the equation.