sport utility rifle question

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by Armed-Citizen, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. Armed-Citizen

    Armed-Citizen New Member

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    been hearing many people say "you should go get your ak or ar before the elections!"
    saying if obama gets re-elected, there might be some new assault ban that could come in result from the recent theatre shooting.
    any agrees on one this?
    should one go do it?
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    What's an "Assault" rifle? Assault is a verb, rifle a noun. The rifle can't do anything by it's self, so that term just doesn't make sense around here.

    Will there be an attempt to reinstall, and further, the heinous AWB (Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act) that was brought to by the good folks of the Klinton Administration? :mad:

    Thus I believe is the crux of the question you are asking.

    First Obama has to win, which is possible, but I am going to be surprised to be honest.

    If he wins, there will be an immediate run on gun stores by people looking to do exactly as you are questioning, get one before they are gone. Guns stores, in turn, will have already jacked up their prices to make ridiculous profits on soon to be unavailable items. Circle of commerce, nothing you can do there.

    If he wins I absolutely do personally think they will try to re-introduce AWB part deux and make it wider in scope.

    Once that is announced, prices will go through the roof, again, there will be an immediate run on the gun stores again, by people who didn't get in on the first panic purchase.

    And by then it will be too late because backlogs will be in year time frame as they were in 1995 ish.

    So if you can not afford to purchase a complete gun now, I would recommend buying something like an AR receiver, which is the only part that will need pre-approval for purchase.

    Then you can build it down the line as more cash becomes handy, or you know for a fact that all the toys will taking a hiatus again.

    Hope that helps. YMMV.

    JD
     

  3. Gh0zt36

    Gh0zt36 Active Member

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    Find a sporterized norinco mak90 theyre one of the best aks out there and in post ban configuration they do not meet the definition of an assault rifle which is any 2 of the following


    a folding or telescoping stock
    a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
    a bayonet mount
    a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
    a grenade launcher
     
  4. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    I would say get one now,

    only if you were going to

    get one, anyway.


    Am I the only person noticing that

    nobody's saying "Hold off for awhile."

    on anything.

    It's all "BUY! BUY! BUY!" . . .
     
  5. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I edited your original title to reflect a less anti-gun name. Please do not buy into the anti-gun renaming of our beloved rifles. The "anti's" attach emotional names/titles to innanimate objects to make them seem "scary". This then allows them to push for legislation based not on fact, but on emotion. An AR-15 with all the military features (except full auto fire) is no more "dangerous" than the same rifle that has been neutered by removing the flash hider, bayonet lug and collapsible stock.

    Buy a gun, any gun, based on your needs, wants and training level. Please do not go on an impulse buying spree for items you will not need or use. In 2008 many people bought guns/ammo based on the expectation of restriction by the Oblama administration. The truth was no such onerous regulation passed over the last 4 years. All that was accomplished was an increase in price for those who actually wanted one.
     
  6. Armed-Citizen

    Armed-Citizen New Member

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    i am planning on getting a bcm or ak, problem is, if i have enough to get one, which should i consider?
    my current needs are:
    Home defense rifle (5.56 sounds good)
    target shooting
    reliability
    i waslooking for a ak101 (chambered in 5.56) but heard that aks might have a problem with ejecting the long cased 5.56 compared tothe short necked 7.62 and 5.45....any thoughts on this?
    the ak101 by arsenal sounded great to me. why?:
    1. ak simplicity, rugged, reliable,
    2. can take more time witho out cleaning compared to ar15 direct impingment design,
    3. 5.56 less recoil than 7.62 and more common than 5.45(ak74)....
    4. more accurate
    any suggestions?
     
  7. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    This is not just about Obama, he needs a Congress to cooperate. I think he has more pressing socialist agenda items to tackle, before alienating a lot of the current Democratic base (there are a LOT of Democratic gun owners in my state, MN as well as in neighboring WI. He may be a socialist, but not a stupid socialist). The sad part is, the gun companies are making out like bandits, so are gun shops, because of the fear that this guy will do away with so-called "assault rifles". It sure doesn't help that there seems to be just enough nut-jobs using these rifles for evil purposes!

    No on can predict what will happen to prices, I agree with the guys above, if you want one and can afford it, go ahead and get one. My guess is that this whole situation is a lot more complicated than "does Obama get re-elected"
     
  8. Old_Crow

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    Prices are going to drop after the election. Personally I would wait until after Christmas, unless you need interest free financing. When Congress comes back into session they are going to be tied up by the budget for quite a while. I don't think Obama is going to push for an assault weapon ban. The Democrats had control of congress for almost 40 years until the last assault weapon ban. There were a few years when Republicans controlled congress but they never got a veto proof majority. The Democrats got voted out in huge numbers after that last assault weapons ban. There isn't enough support in the Democratic party to get any more gun laws through congress. We have two Democratic congressmen in my NC district that have a conservative agenda. Both are rated A+ by the NRA. Now we just need to get rid of Kay Hagan.
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2012
  9. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You might consider a Mini 14. You can get one at CDNN for $600+$10 shipping.
     
  10. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Home defense rifle. Oxymoron.



    If you thought the guns and ammo drought of 08-09 was bad, wait to see WTF happens if der fuhror is reelected.
     
  11. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The current trend in home defense by the guru's is Rifle/carbine, shotgun and last pistol.
     
  12. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    If you're looking for GP utility and accuracy, then

    I would say get a CAR-15 clone in 5.56.

    Not an AR fan myself, but it seems to answer most your needs.

    You may just want to get a good AR lower, for now, as others have

    stated.

    My first prerequisite for any firearm,

    and I've never regretted a gun purchase,

    is "how much fun will this be at the range?"...
     
  13. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    Does he really? Then why is he leaning greatly toward U.N. support on subject matter of firearms/ammo? It's a blind sided move on the political chessboard, which, in essence, bypasses congressional approval.
     
  14. Gh0zt36

    Gh0zt36 Active Member

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    Or a mini 30 even better!! both solid platforms that dont meet the scary gun name criteria
     
  15. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    Executive Order
     
  16. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I have no experience with the AK 101's so I cannot comment on them. I do have experience with AK's in general. They are simple and rugged, if not as accurate as the DI guns.

    7.62 X 39 is certainly not a caliber with a lot of recoil so do not worry about that.

    The DI system is different, Not necessarily dirtier. AR's do not stop working from dirt/fouling. There is plenty of extra space in the upper to hold a bunch of crud. DI guns DO stop working becaause they run out of oil. If an AR gives you trouble after a few hundred rounds, pull the bolt carrier group, lube it up and go back to the fun. The DI system will dry out the upper parts (like the BCG) and cause stoppages. Oil well and all is good.
     
  17. Old_Crow

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    I can't see a drop in production like 08-09. Most of us are drought proof at this point. We all have reloading equipment or have been buying ammo by the case. Getting reloading supplies is a royal pain already.
     
  18. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    Yanno, after the U.N. sends their gay blue helmeted troops to our county,

    we'll be sending them a message.

    "Please send more soldiers.

    The gators thought they were delicious!"
     
  19. Shade

    Shade New Member

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    On the OP's first question: Sport Utility Rifle.
    AK's and AR platforms would dominate that market. But whatever
    your choice is, IMO it should have the following characteristics:

    Reliable
    Semi automatic
    Common chambering/cartridge
    Ease of reloading either with detactable magazines or using strippers or both.

    My preference is the AR, I like it, lots of parts and support, I stick with
    5.56 NATO chambers, I shoot service rifle matches so it works well.



    As far as the Blue brain buckets, I hear they make good target practice.
    The last idiots that landed here wore red and made good targets, guess
    somebody should study history before they try it.
     
  20. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    "Rifle behind every blade of grass"