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Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by spittinfire, Jan 9, 2010.
I screwed that up, let me correct it and repost...
got this one right....
We all know there are some good self defense rounds out there such as Hydra shoks, HSTs, Gold Dots....the list goes on. I wanted to know about the Wal mart available self defense loads, WWB and Remington UMCs. Since I have armed my wife with a 38 and Gold Dots I wanted a cheap practice round that would simulate the GDs and WWB and UMCs 125 +p are VERY close so I've picked up about 200 of them. After looking at them for a while I started to wonder how they would perform as a SD round but my internet searches showed no results. So I decided I would do my own testing on these two bullets as well as some UMC 45 JHPs I've picked up and I played with some 45 high end stuff for fun.
NOTE: I did this for myself and out of my own curiousity. I'm only sharing my results and my opinions, you have to decide for yourself. My test media is not balistics gel or a dead animal but I believe it shows what a bullet can be capable of. Feel free to comment or ask questions, I'll do my best to respond.
all shots were fired from a Ruger SP101 from a distance of 7 yards into 18" of wet news paper. My penetration measurements are rounded but expansion was measured with a caliper accurate to .001"
Winchester White Box 125gr +p SJHP
1) 5.5" .565
2) 6" .544
3) 6.25" .421
Remingtion UMC 125gr +p SJHP
1) 7.75" .537
2) 7" .525
3 7.5" .548
After seeing these results I was not very impressed so I lumped my response together. They expanded some what but not nearly what modern bullets are capable of. I do not see myself using these for self defense in the future, I'll stick with my Gold Dots.
Sorry, I forgot the GDs when I loaded up my ammo. There are many tests available on the web.
Now the 45
45 ACP. All ammo was fired from a Kimber Pro Carry 2 4" model, again from 7 yards into 18" of wet news paper.
I picked up some Remington UMC 230gr JHPs at Wal Mart for $36 a few months back but I havent' seen them since. They can be found at Dick's for $65 which is still cheaper then premium self defense ammo.
UMC 230gr JHPs
1) 7.75" .730
2) 8.5" .728
3) 8.5" .768
I was pleasantly surprised but the results with this ammo. They don't get HUGE but they did expand well and penetration was good. I dont know how they would do with heavy clothing but with what I see here this ammo could be concidered given more testing with barriers.
Taurus Copper(Barnes DPX) 185gr Pure Copper Bullet
1) 6" .815
2) 6.25" .844
I've had these for about 2 or 3 years. A couple of years ago the copper thing was coming on strong and I drank the kool aid. These bullets are highly rated as a self defense round and I believe they belong there. Expansion is outstanding, pushing 2 times the original diameter. Penetration is reasonable here but different in gel. If this bullet when 6" into my chest it would be well into vitals but again, they go much deeper into gel. I have carried these and I would again if needed.
Good stuff, Spitty. Good stuff.
45 continued....so does my learning of how to post pics
Federal Hydra Shok 230gr
1) 9" .678
2) 9.25" .675
3) 9.25" .690
I know Hydra Shoks have a long track record of being strong self defense ammo but I have to say I was a little disappointed in the expansion. Penetration was great but if they don't expand it should be. I'm not trying to steer anyone away from these, I still think they are a good choice but I was still disappointed.
Federal HST 230gr +p
1) 8" .992
2) 8" .993
3) 8.25" .888
You have now met my carry ammo. This has been my ammo of choice for some time now but I never did my own testing so I thought it was time. They penetrate deep, expand to twice their original size and are cheaper then GDs, Hydra Shocks, Golden Sabers, Rangers...almost every premium ammo costs more and most don't perform as well. You can see in the picture that is one of the bullets completely covering a quarter!
I would like to note that the Taurus ammo and HSTs have a very sharp edge on them. I could cut myself with them if I was careless. I wish I could have weighed these bullets but I don't have a scale that goes over 100 grains. If reliablity is a concern for anyone here, my Kimber ate all of this ammo as fast as I could pull the trigger without a single problem.
Anyway, I had fun doing this. Read it, ask questions, share thoughts, whatever.
You didn't let me finish!!!
Good stuff, Spitty. Good stuff.
Great job Spitty, I do use Federals myself, and I have even bought them at WallyWorld. They are good quality ammo and they have worked for me with no FTF and they have plenty of knockdown power and expansion, as you have demonstrated.
I would not hesitate one bit, using them in a SD situation.
Now.....there might be others here.....cough....*clear my throat*....that would like at least a minimum of 12 inches of penetration and more, with expansion........ But to each his own, just like their own choices of handguns and caliber.
How the heck did I miss this?
This is great stuff!
You were napping???
Eight to nine inches of penetration is perfect - any deeper you'd be shooting THROUGH a lot of perps.
I use Federal Hydrashocks in my Ruger .357Mag Security Six, and Hornady XTPs in my .357Mag and .45ACP handloads. No complaints.
Excellent tests! I had not known that Taurus marketed their own ammo. But I have never warmed to all-copper. That may change......