Sort of a gunsmithing question- but 1911 related

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Slawth, Oct 14, 2009.

  1. Slawth

    Slawth New Member

    175
    0
    0
    I need to swap out the beavertail safety on a Kimber. The way I grip the pistol, the current one only half engages and I need to slide my hand down just a little to fully engage it- which I do not like. I need one with the little extension on it like the Wilson high rides.

    Is this something I can purchase and fit at home with no gunsmithing experience? Many versions say "drop in" but I know how that usually goes. Any recommendation as to which brand/model may fit the Kimbers the best? (Kimber's proprietary one is forever out of stock)
     
  2. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

    7,143
    1
    0
    While a Wilson drop-in model will probably work just fine, it will not look as finished as a fitted beavertail. Not sure what radius Kimber cuts on the frame tangs so a drop-in is probably the only option if you don't want to work on the frame tangs. What model of Kimber do you have?
     

  3. Slawth

    Slawth New Member

    175
    0
    0
    It is a tactical (alum frame version) I don't mind sending it out if it is not something I should be attempting with no experience- especially with the alum frame.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2009
  4. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

    7,143
    1
    0
    To get the best results, having a smith do it is the best option. If you don't mind a gap between the frame tangs and the beavertail, a Wilson drop-in from Brownells would probably work just fine. I've used 2 of them (on a Springer Mil-Spec and a Norinco) and they were OK...

    BROWNELLS : WILSON COMBAT : 1911 AUTO DROP-IN BEAVERTAIL GRIP SAFETY - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools
     
  5. Slawth

    Slawth New Member

    175
    0
    0
    Thanks for the link. It sounds as though the "drop in" just means they under-size the safety to make it a one size fits most type of deal- making it sloppy in more cases than not? The price isn't too bad. I might give one a try... It does say that the trigger engagement area may need some fitting. Might be a good first project for me. I'd prefer to do it right the first time though:D
     
  6. crockett007

    crockett007 New Member

    209
    0
    0
    Go to Midway or Brownells, they offer the GS you want specifically for a Kimber radius. Try S&A as well. The "drop in" Wilson will not fit your Kimber.

    Kimber stock GS:

    [​IMG]


    Wilson "drop in" on a Colt:
    [​IMG]

    You see here that the tang cut on the Kimber pistol is not even close to the Wilson/Colt drop in. And, BTW, the "drop In" took me about 2 hours to fit to the Compact Colt pictured.
     
  7. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

    7,143
    1
    0
    Do you have the link for a Kimber specific beavertail from Brownells (or Midway)? I actually looked both places this morning before I posted and I did not see a part that specifically says it's fits a Kimber.

    Each 1911 maker chooses the radius of the frame tangs for their own beavertails. Some use a 220 degree, some use a 250 degree - not sure what Kimber uses. A drop-in leaves enough room to clear the long frame tangs of a Colt style 1911 equipped with a standard grip safety. There's a good chance that stalkingbear or masterPsmith does know if anyone makes the right replacement part...
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2009
  8. crockett007

    crockett007 New Member

    209
    0
    0

    Brownells S&A "EZ Fit High Grip" stock number 849-007-072DF (Blued) - this is with the palmswell and will cosmetically fit up nicely to the Kimber .250 radius cut. Looks like $36.95 less shipping. You might have to relieve a little material to provide trigger bar clearance when depressed-should be the only "fitting" required, but may not be necessary. Also the Les Baer Custom (124-152-100DF) is identical but a little pricier @ $41.65.

    If you look at the profile and tang cut on your stock Kimber GS, these two are pretty much identical. I don't know where Kimber gets thier GS's from, but this design is it.IMHO
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2009
  9. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

    21,833
    3
    0
    Remember any changes to your receiver will require refinishing!

    Here's what you need to do:

    Call Alan Smith @ 1-800-722-1911, Smith & Alexander in Copeville, Texas. Ask him what will fit the best and includes the palm swell.

    Smith & Alexander - "The Mag-Guide People"

    Take a look at the arched MSH as well. You'll love it and also add the mag-guide!

    Tell him canebrake said to get your best deal then tell him you're from the FTF and how about free shipping!

    Check out what I needed to do with my colt:

    http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/...rowland-build-off-10752/index4.html#post75596

    My refinish was a simple bead blast, yours will be a big deal!
     
  10. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

    4,095
    30
    48
    He won't have to do anything to the receiver if he gets the 250 cut grip safety or just specify for Kimber. You WILL have to fit the grip safety however. It's something easy to do IF you take your time and go ssslllooowww when fitting it.
     
  11. Slawth

    Slawth New Member

    175
    0
    0
    All good advice. Now- Outside of the site jig cane turned me on to I do not own, not have I ever taken more than a mini screwdriver to any of my pistols. What am I fitting with? Emery cloth? small file? dremmel:eek:?

    Should I go at it nice and ssssllloooow with my die grinder?

    (kidding)

    Is this how it starts? Next thing I'll be over in the AR section trying to learn how to build a rifle over the internet...
     
  12. crockett007

    crockett007 New Member

    209
    0
    0
    Years ago, what really "turned the lights on" for me was purchasing and completely reading Jerry Kuhnhausen's 1911 shop manuals. These books certainly won't turn you into a qualified smith, but to have a CLEAR understanding of how the pistol operates, and how to properly fit such things as gripsafties etc. is really essential IMHO.

    Jerry has used a cutaway of an actual pistol in some of his explanations to illustrate how all components interact. The language and instructions are clear and very understandable. Knowledge is power when it comes to the 1911 design.
     
  13. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

    21,833
    3
    0
    A small file will do it, BUT, baby steps because if you take off too much material you will need to go buy another GS!

    A well-fitted GS can eliminate the need for a mechanical over-travel screw on the trigger.

    Before you do anything, you will need to understand the function of the GS! Study it, read about it, BECOME IT!

    The frustration comes in when you remove material, reassemble ALL the parts and find it requires more filing. (The gun MUST be completely assembled to test the function of the GS!) Do not start this process an hour before you plan on going to the range!

    If you do find a ‘true’ drop-in part, I am confident you will be able to fit this upgrade with little trouble. Just take it slow.

    IN ADDITION, if you EVER use the word Dremmel again on this Firearms forum I will drag out the Ban Hamster and point him in your direction! Capisce?

    If you own one and I get wind you have used it on a firearm, I will personally drive up there and teach you what an old man is physically capable of doing to young whippersnappers. I will fold you like a lawn chair!

    The Dremmel tool has done more to destroy firearms than any Brady Bill left wing loony anti-gun movement!
     
  14. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

    4,095
    30
    48
    I agree-it's all too easy to take material off but impossible to restore it once you've went too far.
     
  15. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

    3,659
    0
    0
    Where's the dremel love, Cane? I use a dremel all the time:cool:
    I just finished engraving my new SIS, waddaya think? pretty nice eh?
    I'm pretty good with it, can do others for a small fee. Im gonna work over the trigger later







    SIS engraved.jpg
    :D:D
     
  16. Slawth

    Slawth New Member

    175
    0
    0
    This- I will do.[​IMG]

    Check

    OOOOoo. Is that the famous hamster from the Richard Gere defamation? So you're the one who ended up winning that bid on ebay.:p

    stalkingbear- I was not mocking your very good advice to take it slow, BTW. Just being a wīzzago.

    I'll post up the progress once I get the parts ordered...