Sons of guns made a Benelli M4 shotgun full auto on new episode

Discussion in 'NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion' started by MTHunter, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. MTHunter

    MTHunter New Member

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    So my wife and I were watching the new episode of Sons of Guns tonight and they converted a Benelli M4 semiautomatic shotgun to fullauto. I thought it was illegal to manufacture any new full automatic weapons. Am I right or did I misunderstand the 1986 rule.
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    IIRC, if they have the proper FFL's and are only selling to LE or the military, i think it's legal. the 1986 law only applies to civilians.
     

  3. MTHunter

    MTHunter New Member

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    They were made for a civilian 3Gun competition participant.
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    not for sure, but doesn't sound legal to me, unless he's in LE or the military. if not, hmmmmmm.............

    maybe someone with more knowledge than me will chime in.
     
  5. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    What exactly is the point of a fully automatic shotgun that can only hold 6-8 rounds?

    If they made it for LEO/Military, it's legal. If they made it for the civilian market, it's illegal. Was the participant in the three gun competition an LEO/Military?
     
  6. MTHunter

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    As far as I know the guy is not LEO and definitely not military. I've seen him in some of the 3 gun competitions and never once has he said he is in Law Enforcement during interviews. I will attempt some further research. should not be hard since he is a member of Team Benelli.
     
  7. MTHunter

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    The guys name is Taran Butler and everything I found on Benelli's website, his personal webpage and wikipedia shows that while he has LEO connections he is not and never has been LEO or Military
     
  8. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    unless a shotgun has some special exclusion to the FA ruling, which i doubt, i can't see it being legal for him to own.

    BATF definition of FA is more than one shot fired per trigger pull.
     
  9. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    The issue will be (a) manufacturing a destructive device/ full auto. and (b) transfer of ownership of said weapon.

    You can only manufacture when you have FFL as a Manufacturer, with the SOT to make the Class III NFA firearms. As far as (b), was ownership of the gun transferred? To who? As a Manufacturer, they can only transfer ownership to (1) a military agency, (2) a law enforcement agency, (3) to another FFL with the correct licenses/ SOTs. or (4) export it out of the US for legal sale abroad.

    WAS there a transfer of ownership- or did the shooter shoot it in the presence of the Sons of Guns staff? If he works for Benelli, was it transferred to Benelli- who IS a FFL holder? etc etc. Bottom line- there is a lot you do not see with TV shows.
     
  10. kytowboater

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  11. trip286

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    I would really be interested in a belt fed machine-shotgun...
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    LMFAO!!!!! i'll bet you would! :D
     
  13. WebleyFosbery38

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    Sad, all we can do is watch and drool, I cant even bring myself to do that anymore, I stopped watching some time ago when it became obvious it was another version of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous", you can watch them have fun but thats all.

    It was AOK for me to handle and fire every weapon under the sun when before I retired from the Infantry but I will never have the pleasure of doing it again without renting one at a high end paintball range. You gotta be a "Son of a Gun" or a sons-of-***** to enjoy full citizenship rights in my country, that pisses me off!

    If youve ever fired Maw Deuce or a Mark 19, you will never forget the feeling; sadly I will never get to do it again...
     
  14. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Sons of guns should be renamed sons of lies. Nothing on tbat show is real its all made for tv. Pure fiction. Fake drama including all the supposed issues and infighting and fake order contracts.

    The batfe does issue special permits to build class 3 for use in producing a tv show or movie. The firearm then has to be rendered non class 3 once filming is done.
     
  15. 70cuda383

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    not to mention that the last time I read USPSA/IPSC/IDPA/3-gun etc. rules... full auto is NOT allowed for use in competition.

    so again, I'd say this one falls into the category of "all for show"
     
  16. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm sure Benelli had a big hand in this. They own the gun and Butler is an employee allowed to possess it as an employee.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    C3 explained that as well. i didn't know a company could do that.
     
  18. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    JonM is correct as always! The other issue is if Son's of Guns would have a license to manufacture class III weapons through the ATF. Last I knew I believe the ATF took their license from them unless they have been reinstated? They had several weapons unacounted for and were not able to account for them when the ATF did an inspection of their records at thier facility. Reinstated? That I do not know? You are correct on your assumption on manufacturing a class III weapon. Since 1984 around May they can be produced by a licensed class III manufacturer of machine guns and destructive devices for law enforcement or government agencies "Only!". The only ones available to you and I are the ones that were produced prior to that date and also are legaly transfereable. $200 Federal SOT Stamp also required. An an additional $200 SOT Stamp for a Suppressor.

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  19. msup752

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    Leave it to these yahoos to modify and ruin a perfectly good gun. My M4 is as good as it gets.
    Was this a new episode? I thought they modded an M4 a while ago.
     
  20. texaswoodworker

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    I would too, and it makes a lot more sense than a FA gun limited to a max of 8 rounds. :D