Something epic

Discussion in 'DIY Projects' started by HM2Grunt, Sep 29, 2013.

  1. HM2Grunt

    HM2Grunt New Member

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    I received a black powder pistol from my father-in-law. It was a completed kit gun he found at a sale, and thought that I might like it. It got put aside after my boys lost interest, and has been rusting in the basement since then.

    I found it,recently, and after looking at the parts of it, I decided that I wanted to make some thing epic out of it.

    The wood is gone, looks to have been very cheap and finished with a Hershey bar. The lock and barrel were bedded with epoxy glue.

    The components are made in Japan by Miroku. The barrel is .45 cal with sharp clean rifling. The lock is nice, and traditional with the except of a coiled sear spring. The surface on the inside looks like it was case hardened at some time The rest of the kit is trash.

    Where can I find a source for ideas of designs for black powder cap and ball pistols, someone selling individual parts like triggers, trigger guards, and sights, ect., and more important, the wood pistol blanks.

    It was originally done something like a generic Kentucky-style, with a brass nose tip
     

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  2. c3shooter

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    Dixie guns works- altho I will caution you that the cost of parts will exceed cost of a kit. For a stock, find a suitable well cured section of hardwood (or a yellow pine 2x6) and a bandsaw, chisel, and a REAL sharp pocket knife. Start whittling.
     

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  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    subscribed to follow along!:D
     
  5. HM2Grunt

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    I have looked at Dixie. The flintlock kit I wanted was better than $300, which I thought was a bit much for me. Might have to sell off one of the kids. Said it was a skill level one. I don't know what that translates to, but I have never inletted a barrel. Was not wanting to get a nice kit for the first one. Bought a lesser quality kit on eBay to be my first victim. People on the internet don't like the makers because of problems with their locks. Thought I would get it anyway and maybe use the Jap parts. The other kit was made in Spain. I am a gunsmith school drop out. Had to quit schoo after two l and get a job because the kids were staving and I could make more money in the ER.
     
  6. HM2Grunt

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    I trade a lot with these guys for bullets and molds, I will have to look deeper. I have seen some beautiful Ceiler(if that is spelled right) flint locks I would like to have to look at. They look like little works of art.
     
  7. HM2Grunt

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    Axx, not sure what you mean
     
  8. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    He's following the thread, Doc, because he's interested to see the progress you make on this project. Me too.
     
  9. HM2Grunt

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    Well, I bought a cheap pistol kit off E-bay. It began as a real hassle, because the poor sellers are not allowed to sell a complete kit, meaning a complete set of parts. According to the e-Bay Nazi's, you must sell the kit, minus the barrel. You cannot list the barrel until the kit is sold. Long story, short, I convinced him to take the kit off auction, we met in a dark alley, and completed the sale of kit and barrel, and e-Bay, because they are jerks, didn't get their commission.

    Decided because this was my first kit, I would learn on it, and save the other lock and barrel for good wood.

    Got a book on making black powder rifles, which has been very helpful. The first things I am getting together are the tools. Bought a set of carving tools and changed them into something more useful. Had an old small rasp around that I bent and ground into a tool I can work on the flats of the barrel inlet. Need to find something better to use marking the barrel, that leaves a mark showing me where the high spots are. Have tried to use my DYKEM, but it isn't working well, and is dripping all over my bench. Any Ideas of something else to use? Throughout this project, if any of you have any wisdom or advise, please let me know. Don't give me the advise to give up, Some days it has crossed my own mind to do so. I would like to learn from this experience, so I can move on to the $400 kits.
     

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  10. orangello

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    My single shot sidelock BP pistol is a Bucksomething from Traditions; it is also a favorite when I go plinking with my friends.
     
  11. dwmiller

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    Try lipstick for your inletting marker fluid. I've also used candle soot. Just hold the part in the flame until it is coated black. I usually just remove about 95% of the material with a router before I start trying to fit the action and barrel into the stock. That assumes that you have access and the skill to use this tool. Or are willing to spend the time to learn.

    I decent job can be done on the cheap with a small drill press and a dremel tool. Go ahead and buy a forstner drill bit in 1/4 or 3/8. They really help you to make flat bottom holes and hog out areas for the locks quickly. Hope this helps and don't give up:)

    Check out the stockmaking section on rimfire central for other good ideas from people much better at stockmaking than I am.
    http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php

    This guy is a true master. Someday I hope to have the time to get this good;)
    http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158893&highlight=hipshot
     
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  12. JTJ

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    The gun makers used to use India Blue for inletting.
     
  13. dwmiller

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    Yep they did... tried it out once myself and went back to the lipstick. Cleans up much better with an alcohol wipe.

    The soot works well and its cheap. At least cheaper than explaining to the wife where her lipstick went to. Sounds of complex pain as she finds it on my workbench ;)
     
  14. HM2Grunt

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    I have changed course a bit. Decided to use the first barrel I had because it is better made, and is rifled. Went to a local hardwoods dealer yesterday and bought a nice maple slab. Had him plan both sides and to square the top edge. Today I laid out all my inletting lines, and started removing wood with a forstner bit. I have been using my kerosene stove with the flame burning rich to blacken the barrel for my inletting dye. got the two side flats done this afternoon, but have a lot deeper to go. I was able to get two slabs of maple, 1 3/4 inches thick. The piece was leftover, so the wood only cost $12. This kerosene soot is fairly messy, so I am going to try to find something else
     

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  15. dwmiller

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    Very nice job! Looks like it will build into a family heirloom. :)
     
  16. HM2Grunt

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    dwmiller-Thanks, I have been able to work on it outside on the picknic table because the weather has been so nice. The kerosene sooter has be working out very well, except for being so dirty. Need to find a new shurform rasp when I get to shaping. Have not quite worked out how I am going to cut out the shape of the pistol. Don't have a bandsaw available. Have to do some research into how the old guys did it before electricity
     
  17. dwmiller

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    I know you can use a bowsaw to cut mild curves. A coping saw will cut more radical ones. Best bet is to find a buddy with a bandsaw. A hand power jigsaw will work if you bore holes and then play connect the dots. But a real bandsaw is sooo much cleaner, faster and sides of cut near 90 degs. It will save you a bunch of time cleaning up your blank later. ;)

    Ask at the local school or a buisness that does woodworking. A few bucks spent here sure beats the frustration of messing up now.

    Harbor freight has small, cheap bandsaws that are benchtop sized. Slow to cut with and underpowered but better than a handsaw. ;) Plus you gain another tool. Something to consider if your budget will allow it.

    Just checked $124 and a 20% off coupon for a 9" tabletop saw. Hope this helps.
     
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  18. HM2Grunt

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    Soot is working pretty well. The picnic table days are almost over here, but I am making headway. On my second maple slab now. My hand slipped, and I took a big knock out of my first slab. It's all good. With what I learned making the first attempt, has sure made the second move right along. The soot is dirty, but works nice. I just need to take the time to stone my chisels to get nice controllable cuts. No more power tools after the first slab incident on the drill press. Was going to try my router, but when I plugged it in it was tit's up. When I was down at the lumber yard looking for a new forstner bit, I found a real nice Porter Cable laminate trimmer that I think is going to make inletting the lock a snap. Maybe even cutting the pistol shape out. Need to invent another tool to help me get down inside to sand the flats. Need to find a nice gooseneck lamp. My doctor's office has one, but I don't think I can get it out of there under my jacket. As much as I pay him, you would think I could get a free one every visit. I will check with the high school to see if they have a band saw, and if I can get this cut. Need to look at a lot more pictures before I end up with one design.
     

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  19. Axxe55

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    you're making progress!:D looking good so far.:D
     
  20. FullautoUSA

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    Looking good so far.