say, 70 grs at 2300 fps from a .460 Rowland. When you hit feral dogs, big beaver, nutria, etc, with this load, at 10 yds or so, the results are just like the 223 sp hit at 100 yds. The critter gets slammed to the ground and it can't get up again. The reason that you don't see this with "normal" handgun ammo is that the bullets are too heavy, the velocities too low, and the chamber pressure is wussified. this load has no more recoil than 230 grs at 700 fps. Which is to say, not much. It's got astounding flash and blast, tho. So do 357 snubbies.