So How's It Look?

Discussion in 'DIY Projects' started by Joshua M. Smith, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. Joshua M. Smith

    Joshua M. Smith New Member

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    The other day I ordered a Kimber pinned safety. They finally got some in, while King's is still back ordered.

    It got here today. I installed it. It took no fitting to the sear - Kimber molds them pre-fit to guns which are in spec.

    Compared to the STI safety, it feels and looks cheap. I had to take a lot of flash off and smooth down rough spots to keep it from binding. I also had to take the slop out of the joint.

    BUT! It's on now, and is performing well. MIM parts will fail early on if they're going to fail, but flipping it on and off 100 times as well as 50 rounds or so through the gun didn't reveal any further flaws.

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    I really wish I could have gotten a King's as the concept is great IMO, but Kimber's execution leaves something to be desired.

    I'm keeping the STI safety as a backup, but with a light spring on this one I don't think it will fail.

    Josh <><
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Really? Huh. Well, that is honestly the first time I have heard that. Ever.

    I have had three and never had a problem, and I still own two. Granted, they aren't top of the food chain, but for the common man, to have such a great piece available, I would be hard pressed to find another model that offered what they do in the same price range....

    JD
     

  3. Righteous

    Righteous New Member

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    well .... i never been one to dodge questions so......... I think it looks out of place as well as ugly as sin IMHO
     
  4. komrad7800

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    I think this has a pretty descent look and also this looks handy and for a handy model which is nice to hold the look is awesome!
     
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  5. Joshua M. Smith

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    Well, it seems to be functioning fine.

    The problem I had was that when I opened the package, the thing felt like it was made from aluminum alloy. That doesn't inspire confidence in me.

    I also had to take slop out of the joint. I didn't expect that on a $65 part - not when Brown and STI/SVI cost the same and have no slop.

    Josh <><
     
  6. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Ever been on a plane?
     
  7. Joshua M. Smith

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    Especially on a plane.

    I took ground school when I was young. Then they took us up to get used to the controls. Never again. I took the controls, turned us around and learned to land.

    A storm was rolling in, we were getting blown all over the place, and the wings were flapping. Normal, I know, but it didn't inspire confidence.

    I trust the physics that hold airplaines (and choppers etc) up - God made those physics and they've not broken yet.

    I do not trust the machines used to take advantage of those physics - they're human made and we've had airplanes disintegrate midair, crash into mountains, and just fall out out of the sky for no apparent reason. (There's a story for another time behind that last one.)

    This is the same reason I carry a spare magazine. I'm confident of my ability to place eight rounds into a threat; I'm not confident that I won't have a double feed or magazine malfunction. My Wilson #47 7 round magazines have never given me any trouble whatsoever, and my 1911 only failed to chamber twice, both within the first 20 rounds I fired from it new. (I ended up polishing a rough spot on the breech face after that.) But, I've never had any trouble other than those two FTFs.

    That doesn't mean that I won't be in the middle of a fight and not have the Ed Brown slidestop/cross pin break, or the feed lips won't magically lose cohesion, or any number of outrageous things.

    Josh <><
     
  8. G21.45

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    :) Personally, I think it looks darned good! If it were mine I'd add a stainless match-grade trigger, and polish the barrel, too. Is that what you did with the slide stop? Kind 'a looks that way in the photo. Ever think about Duracoat?









    (By the way, what kind of gun is that?) ;)
     
  9. Joshua M. Smith

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    Actually, I am thinking about an EGW trigger. It has a stop I can file. Adjustable (screw type) stops bite in my opinion. I've seen them fail and lock up guns. Most triggers I've looked at have them, but the EGW doesn't seem to.

    The slide stop is just browned - I think - it came from Ed Brown and the finish is not quite blue, not quite black.

    I've been looking at different finishes, playing with acid baths, etc. I've not found one that will totally resist holster wear yet, but that's not to say I won't.

    I think the next 1911 I get will be a stainless steel, though I do like rust finishes better.

    Josh <><
     
  10. G21.45

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    :) I love Evolution Gun Works! Last Fall they put a new barrel on one of my Colt Mark IV's. This is the truth: I knew George Smith when he worked for Austin Behlert over 30 years ago.

    As a matter of fact, I was in Austin's shop during first week that George started there. He was a brand new smith right out of school; and, Behlert's Custom Gunshop was George's first job. Nobody ever imagined that he was destined to go so far! His is quite an entrepreneurial success story.

    Personally, I wouldn't go nuts on the finish. Pistols that get used a lot can stand to be refinished every 4 or 5 years, anyway. Duracoat is good if you're carrying in leather. The toughest pistol finish I've found is the hardchrome from Accurate Plating. The nicest - and, also, one of the most durable - is Birdsong's, 'Black T'. (The, 'Green T' too)

    Birdsong Review

    Accurate Plating & Weaponry

    (Bob Cogan is another really good guy who's been around a long time!)
     
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  11. The Swede

    The Swede New Member

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    same here, Personaly I don't like it, But it is not my gun so aslong as you like it... good for you.
     
  12. Joshua M. Smith

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    Well, it's gone in favor of a Wilson ambi.

    The lightweight just didn't hold up, and started galling against the plunger.

    I can't believe I forgot about this place! It somehow lost its tab when I open Firefox.

    Josh <><
     
  13. matt g

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    Planes are made from aluminum.

    Really? I've got 12k to 15k rounds on mine and it hasn't so much as moved.
     
  14. Joshua M. Smith

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    Yup. I addressed that earlier.

    Really. I've seen it twice myself, and I've talked with many more who have seen this happen.

    It's not common, but why take the chance? The more things you have that move, the more prone to malfunction you make the weapon.

    Josh <><
     
  15. sgtdeath66

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    duracoat is great stuff especially if your goin to be using the gun often as it protects the gun from the oils left behind from your fingers, ive got duracoats combat green on my shotgun and the best part about it is if u marr the finish u can rub it out. plus there are so many colors to choose from mpo though
     
  16. matt g

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    Loctite? I've never heard of a case of it and I have at least a dozen friends that own 1911 with screw stop triggers. All of them have at least 10k rounds through their pistol with ne'er a problem.

    Trigger stop screws is a "problem" like MIM parts. It's pure BS internet myth. I've seen a lot of stuff fail, but it's not to improper design, rather it's from improper use. If you mess with the screw and don't Loctite it back down when you're done, it's going to fall out.

    That's why I don't like to see amateurs dicking with their pistols like this. Did you bother to have the barrel re-heat treated after you drilled the hole in it? Do you know what stress risers are? Do you know why your pistol didn't come from the factory with that hole drilled in it?

    Arm chair gun smiths will have parts fail, as you witnessed yourself by hacking up some of the safeties. A professional 'smith could have fit any one of those safety levers you your pistol.
     
  17. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Tinkering is fine, that's how we learn. If you mess with something that you have no experience with, you need to have it inspected by a professional before using it, especially when explosions are involved.

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  18. Joshua M. Smith

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    Then why did I see it happen? The Loctite thing, WRT guns, is very debatable. Done properly, no gun should ever need Loctite, or so some very experienced pistolsmiths opine. I use it for one thing, and that's for keeping a front sight on if the dovetail is a bit loose. Ya' raise the bottom of the dovetail with a prick punch, put some loctite on, and tap the front sight back in. It shouldn't come out again.

    I do not get the warm fuzzies from having it around my trigger or any part of the firing mechanism.

    I'm not knocking your personal choice - I'm merely stating mine. Why you seem to take issue with my choice when I have no issue with you doing as you wish is beyond me.

    There was no drilling involved, and thus, no metal softening. Very rarely do I use power tools. Slow and easy does it.

    There is no significant stress on the barrel hood. Its sole purpose in life is to let the slide push the barrel back into battery. In full battery, there is a very small gap (.001" IIRC, from memory) between the barrel and the slide. Tactical 1911: The Street Cop's And SWAT Operator's Guide To Employment And Maintenance, Lauck, p. 31 The chamber is further up and there is no damage done with a view port, either due to pressure or due to parts contact.

    What do you mean by "hacking up some of those safeties?" Fitting a safety is one of the easier things to do on a 1911. The only one that would not fit is the King's, and it appears that the part may just be defective.

    Are you taking all those safeties I have to mean that I couldn't get one to fit? If so, you're mistaken. I couldn't find a comprehensive list, felt the resource would be valuable to other left handers, and went about writing it up after about a year of experimentation. Some of those safeties were fitted, used while firing a few rounds, then taken right back off. The only ones to spend any time on my 1911 were the STI, Kimber, and Wilson, in that order. I'm happiest with Wilson.

    Please explain yourself better; I'm not sure where you're coming from in a lot of your statements.

    Josh <><
     
  19. Dillinger

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    I'm with Matt bro - Hundreds of bolt rifles have screw adjustable triggers, including the all coveted Jewell and Timney. I have never seen a screw type trigger "fail & lock up a gun".

    I have seen home gunsmiths adjust them too far one way or the other, and have issues like ND's or FTF - but I have never seen one outright fail, especially one tuned by an actual gunsmith.

    As for Loctite, it has many uses, and so does clear nail polish, one of which happens to be holding a set screw in place and keeping it from coming loose or allowing dirt/grit/debris in there. There is nothing "wrong" about the practice.

    If you personally don't like it, that's fine, but I am not for the broad brush statements that all screw type stops are inferior.

    They aren't.

    If they were, I am pretty sure somewhere along the lines, everyone making triggers would have went with a different design.

    JD
     
  20. matt g

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    I beg to differ on the Loctite issue. In theory, no Loctite should ever need to be used on any machined part. In real life, there are stresses and vibrations that are encountered that aren't planned for on the part of the engineer. In such cases, Loctite prevails.

    If you don't want a screw to move, it should have Loctite on it. As a structural fabricator, with quite a bit of machining under my belt and as a Jeeper that beats the hell out of my rig, that just comes down as common sense.

    Many gun owners use clear finger nail lacquer in it's place, but Loctite makes a product that is better suited.

    I'll use the same argument that I use for other Jeepers, as it applies here: it's your life, why half ass it? But I digress, many of them use less than adequate parts and bust their asses forever trying to make their half assed part work, or worse yet, die because of their bad choice.

    What can you do?