8 lbs (at best) for the gun, accessories and a dozen shots. for 8 lbs, you can have a silenced Marlin Papoose, scope, and 400 rds of 22lr. now, just WHY are you forced to hunt (and why would there be any game left) and NOT lots of other people, hmm? if there's lots of other people, ANY noisy gun, or single shot or shotgun is a disastrous handicap for a survivor, Even if you use 20 ga type loads, you only get 15 shots to the lb, 12 ga full loads are 10 to the lb.. you really want to take 15 seconds to reload, when people are shooting at you? want the misfiring risks, fouling, and smoke marking your position (and blocking your view)? Why scare off other game with blasts, when a good suppressor will leave them standing there (after you miss or kill cleanly, right beside them)? Plenty of people will shoot you on sight if shtf, better count on that No, you are not going to mine lead and sulphur and make your own black powder, either. Both Dupont and Pyrodex have blown up black powder plants, killing people. "Corning' the powder, to make it burn properly in guns, is no joke of a process. You can easily store enough .22's to do you for 20 years+. So the muzzleloader thing is just manipulation of the ignorant. It's done to sell stuff to fools, so the seller can make a lot of money. I mean, what is "period gear/clothing" for a .22 or 223? can't make money at that. But you can make hundreds of $ (off of each sucker) if they "think" that the 1700's gear/clothing was just great. muzzleloader, with proper shot pellets, works on small game at best to 30 yds. That's a snapshot with a .22 rifle. With pebbles, broken glass, and the like, figure on 10 yds, max. I'd rather have a slingbow and field made arrow than a front stuffer using such "ammo".. For a fact.